Third Gitmo related arrest

Post #119,587 by JayMehaffey 9/30/03 3:59:12 PM Reply	Third Gitmo related arrest [link\|http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/WorldNewsTonight/logan_arrest030930.html\|ABC News] A civilian translator who worked at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp has been arrested, suspected of taking classified information from the camp where hundreds of suspects in the war on terror are being held. Now I'm wondering just what is going on here. Was it a group of wistleblowers and the whole group got nailed? Is security really so bad that people are just walking off with secret documents? Has Syria somehow organized a huge spy operation just to get some information about Gitmo? Jay
Post #119,588 by mmoffitt 9/30/03 4:03:34 PM Reply	This is America. Everybody (the Whole World) is after us. Everybody envies us. They hate us for our freedom. You didn't know that? Be afraid, be very afraid. Be so afraid that you don't ask questions. "Questions are a burden to others." Why are you asking questions? You some kind of Al Qaeda sympathizer? I've got to run now, got to call the Department of Homeland Security and report you before you or one of your buddies flies a Cessna 150 into a nuclear plant... bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,590 by bepatient 9/30/03 4:14:00 PM Reply	Hey...wait... ...let that guy bounce a Cessna off that nuke...weed out the gene pool...cause about the only thing he would leave behind would be a stain. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #119,592 by mmoffitt 9/30/03 4:32:53 PM Reply	You might want to run that by... the NRC... Emphasis Mine. Sept. 4 \ufffd AOPA this week told the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that fears about general aviation raised by two groups opposed to California's Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant are unwarranted. The San Luis Obispo Mothers For Peace and the Union of Concerned Scientists petitioned the NRC for better protection from potential terrorist attacks, including suicide aircraft assaults, at Diablo Canyon. The petition specifically mentioned general aviation. [link\|http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-3-123x.html\|http://www.aopa.org/...03/03-3-123x.html] bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,599 by bepatient 9/30/03 5:42:22 PM Reply	Huh? The San Luis Obispo Mothers For Peace and the Union of Concerned Scientists are the concerned parties...not the NRC. The AOPA study was cited...and trust me...living within 50 miles of 2 separate nuke plants...I paid attention...that a GA aircraft will NOT pose a safety risk to a nuke. So Moms for Peace are worried...but the NRC, AOPA and I are not. But to Brian's point...the Cessna is a nice plane...shame to see it wasted. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #119,722 by mmoffitt 10/1/03 1:31:30 PM Reply	You'd be amazed... at how a couple of screaming me-me's can affect TFR's (which these days are not so damned temporary). There were and are all kinds of "National Security" TFR's around the country. The fact that AOPA has to constantly inform people that GA is not a threat is ridiculous. I said you should tell the NRC because few people have your perspective when it comes to small GA aircraft (that is, few non-pilot/non-a & p's/etc. understand that GA was never and will never be the problem). AOPA is worried. I'm the AOPA's ASN Volunteer for C62 and let me tell you, they and all the GA pilots I know are worried that folks like the two mentioned in the article are getting entirely too much say in how our airspace is handled - (again, the basis of my urging you to run your view by the NRC). There are two TFR's in Indiana that are years old, for instance. How "temporary" is that? And for what? If I fly my 172 into these areas (while I've still got one) guess what happens? I get intercepted by a pair of F-16's. How's that for getting huge bang for your tax-payer dollar? Then, because I am suspected of terrorism, I can get locked up indefinitely. Why? Because I flew my dangerous attack Cessna too close to a nuke plant. It is that ridiculous. Nice to hear some one who doesn't fly concur ;-) FDC 1/0661 ZID IN.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS NEWPORT, IN. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION 91.137A(1) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT DUE TO NATIONAL SECURITY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED WITHIN A 5 NAUTICAL MILES RADIUS OF 395100N/0872518W OR THE TERRE HAUTE /TTH/ VORTAC 335 DEGREE RADIAL AT 23 NAUTICAL MILES AT AND BELOW 5000 FEET AGL TO PROVIDE FOR A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR DOD OPERATIONS. TERRE HAUTE AFSS /HUF/ 812-877-7530 IS THE FAA COORDINATION FACILITY. [See graphic.] [Plain-language guidance: Temporary Flight Restrictions are in place prohibiting flights for a 5 NM radius at and below 5000 ft AGL, centered on a point 23 NM from the Terre Haute VORTAC off from the 335-degree radial (Terre Haute, IN).] 2/2183 - IN.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS CRANE, IN. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UNTIL FUTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.137A(2) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN A 5 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF 385021.4N/864831.1W AND THE HOOSIER /OOM/ VORTAC 209 DEGREE RADIAL AT 20.4 NAUTICAL MILES AT AND BELOW 5000 FT AGL TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY. MR DAVID BROWN, DEPARTMENT OF NAVY, TELEPHONE 812-854-3581, IS IN CHARGE OF ON SCENE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACTIVITIES. TERRE HAUTE /HUF/ AFSS, TELEPHONE 812-877-7530, IS THE FAA COORDINATION FACILITY. WIE UNTIL UFN [See graphic.] [Plain-language guidance: Temporary Flight Restrictions are in place prohibiting flights for a 5 NM radius at and below 5000 ft AGL, centered on a point 20.4 NM from the Hoosier VORTAC off from the 209-degree radial (Crane, IN).] bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,726 by bepatient 10/1/03 1:56:43 PM Reply	Re: You'd be amazed... 1655 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS, PILOTS CONDUCTING FLIGHT OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TERRITORIAL AIRSPACE OF THE U.S. ARE ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE OR IN PROXIMITY TO ALL NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS. PILOTS SHOULD NOT CIRCLE OR LOITER IN THE VICINITY OF SUCH FACILITIES. PILOTS WHO DO SO CAN EXPECT TO BE INTERVIEWED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL AT THEIR DESTINATION AIRPORT AND THE PILOT''S NAME MAY BE ADDED TO THE TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION (TSA) INCIDENT REPORTING SYSTEM. WIE UNTIL UFN [See graphic. (Graphic courtesy of www.nrc.gov; it is not all inclusive.)] Doesn't sound like worry. Sounds like prudence. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #119,827 by mmoffitt 10/2/03 12:00:44 PM Reply	? So I should just "watch what I say, watch what I do" even in the people's air, right? bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,844 by bepatient 10/2/03 1:45:08 PM Reply	Not quite... ...its more like...avoid doing this (and circling a nuclear facility would be an obvious thing to avoid) and everything is cool...if you do NOT avoid doing this...please expect us to have a few questions for you afterwards. Since when is it the "people's air"? Is that something that you expect to be different than say..."territorial waters"? If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #119,855 by jake123 10/2/03 2:41:53 PM Reply	It is the people's air just like you can take your boat anywhere you want in territorial waters. It's called mobility rights, and they are a very important part of the package of basic civil rights in a free society. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #119,861 by bepatient 10/2/03 3:29:18 PM Reply	But would I not... ...expect to be looked at somewhat suspiciously if I happen to park said boat in front of a nuclear sub facility...or should I be allowed to park it in the center of a shipping channel? You are certainly allowed to use the airspace...however you are required to be licensed and you must meet certain requirements to operate inside said "air". So while you consider it a "right"...it is pretty much handled as a priviledge (much like drivers licensing) and can have (and does) a certain measure of control over it dictated by the state. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #119,869 by mmoffitt 10/2/03 4:22:24 PM Reply	Not Xactly. Owner built aircraft do not require the pilot to hold a license to fly in the nation's airspace. We're talking about "uncontrolled airspace" here, not some Class C or monster Class B airspace. It is "ours" in much the same way as the airwaves used to be "ours". bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,593 by bbronson 9/30/03 4:34:18 PM Reply	Not a Cessna; an ultralight instead A Cessna, though not a taildragger, is still a good airplane. I'm not convinced the removal of the garbage from the gene pool would be worth the loss of the plane. Brian Bronson Who knows that Cessna used to make some darn nice taildraggers; the 195 being among the prettiest around
Post #119,723 by mmoffitt 10/1/03 1:32:25 PM Reply	Amen. And, btw, ... birds don't land on their asses, why should we? :-D bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,821 by bbronson 10/2/03 11:50:35 AM Reply	Birds don't have nosewheels, either, so... I guess we'll have to develop the Segway-geared airplane! Brian Bronson PS Got 1.4 hrs dual this morning: IFR navigation (I follow roads and rivers, that is!), short, and soft field takeoffs and landings. Starting cross country work tomorrow.
Post #119,830 by mmoffitt 10/2/03 12:02:34 PM Reply	Man, I almost envy you. I can't remember where you are in your training. Have you done any solo X-C yet? If not, your first one will be completely awesome. bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,837 by bbronson 10/2/03 12:42:05 PM Reply	No cross countries yet Just finishing up the post-solo reviews and intros (short and soft fields, navigation, hood work). Lost a few weeks due to a week-long annual...plus bad weather...plus my instructor's time suddenly became scarce as he picked up several students from another instructor who quit to fly for a regional airline. I'm hoping I can work my home town (Manitowoc, WI) in to one of my cross country flights. It'd be cool to drop in on the folks. I don't know if that will fit in one of the legs, though. I'm flying out of Waukesha, WI, and I don't know if Manitowoc is far enough away for a leg. Brian Bronson
Post #119,870 by mmoffitt 10/2/03 4:26:30 PM Reply	If it isn't 50 nm, it isn't. I was lucky, my instructor let me pick my 2nd, 3rd and 4th solo X-C's (don't ask why I had 4). Anyway, the long one (I just remembered, they changed the PTS after I got my license), used to require a 150 nm trip, landing at 3 different airports and at least one leg >= 50 nm. So, if your favorite field isn't 50 nm away, save it for the "long X-C" and make that one of the fields you land at on the way home. ;-) It is a kick. I know solo'ing is a big deal, but when you actually take off from one place and land some distance away at another all by yourself, you begin to feel like a "real pilot". Er, at least I did anyway ;-) bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,965 by bbronson 10/3/03 10:20:02 AM Reply	It's 70 nm from KUES to KMTW We did cross country planning this morning, since it was too crappy to fly (winds aloft 250@47 and it just gets worse from there.) My instructor is going to let me pick my own cross country routes; so long as they meet the requirements. So I'll probably be visiting the parents a few times. My night cross country will be in a Warrior. My instructor wants to go into some Class C airspace (Madison, WI) , and the Citabria doesn't have a transponder. That should be fun. I'd have to agree with you. It's the cross countries where you really start feeling like a pilot. I'm looking forward to them. Brian Bronson
Post #120,015 by mmoffitt 10/3/03 4:21:42 PM Reply	Cool. Have fun. Not all instructors let their students decide where to fly on their solo X-C's. You've got a good one. If the weather is okay in a couple of weeks, I'm going C62-UCP on 10/18 and returning on 10/19. IF the weather's okay - which this time of year up here is an absolute crap-shoot. If you haven't checked it out already, check out [link\|http://www.airnav.com\|http://www.airnav.com] A lot of the airports have pictures, so you'll know what the place looks like if it's the first time you flown there. ;-) bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #120,028 by bbronson 10/3/03 5:16:21 PM Reply	Thanks. Already had airnav bookmarked! Great site Hope the weather holds for your trip. Brian Bronson
Post #119,591 by deSitter 9/30/03 4:19:43 PM Reply	Re: Third Gitmo related arrest Seems fishy to me too - perhaps a pretext to fuck with Syria. -drl
Post #119,656 by a6l6e6x 9/30/03 10:06:28 PM Reply	You may also recall that the identities of the prisoners is secret. It could be that the Gitmo prisoners wanted to get the word out that they are alive to their kin and the "traitors" thought that was a humane think to do. Alex "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)

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