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New Re: Agree and disagree
KEWL! Finally a topic I feel I can relate to!

First of all JB, I think it's neat that you were a DJ in New Mexico. My husband lived there a long time, and I can't wait to ask him about your stations. I know they talked about a transmitter on Sandia mountain when we were up there last time (two years back) and now I'm wondering if the station we were listening to then was the one you were at!

I'm also a former radio person, although I didn't really cut it as a DJ. I chose instead to be a Newscaster and clerical "traffic" person for the local college radio station where I attended, KCFV.

Top40 is, was, and has always been a scourge. However, it is not the root cause of the Destruction of the Medium. IMnsHO, the root cause is the Format.


I've got a question about Top 40, though. Is that even still around? I haven't heard that "term" in a really long time, so does the "Top 40" still exist? If so, what on earth would constitute a Top 40 format in the 90's?

I really only listen to about two radio stations, Khits, which is the St. Louis 70's rock station, (although they have started playing 80's and a few 90's for a mix), and 99.1 (You know, I don't even know it's call letters, silly me), the classical station that I leave on most of the time when other music isn't playing cause the parakeet is used to it. (I inherited him, see, and he always had the classic station on).

I know they've revamped St. Louis radio drastically, destroyed my husband's favorite station, "The Rock" among other things.

Why didn't it last? A couple of reasons: First, I couldn't keep my mouth shut, and eventually ran terminally afoul of the GM. It was this episode that taught me the first two axioms of broadcasting in the US:


1) When the inevitable conflict of personalities/egos/interests occurs in the broadcast industry, the person with the higher rank fires the person with the lower rank. This is not considered to be a bad thing; there is no disgrace in being fired from a broadcast outlet.


Yeah, that is one of the worst drawbacks of Radio, basically the more popular or higher ranked people win. I was fired from KCFV (although they would never admit it on paper, instead they stated... "it was time for a new work study position for me" because the DJ's weren't taking too well to having a female tell them what to do. I was in charge of all the logs and such, and I had to get people to fill them out properly... and let's just say college guys weren't real interested in doing that. ;) But they couldn't fire all the male DJs who were disgruntled, so they instead removed me.

Interestingly enough though, I have watched as popular DJs put their foot in their mouth repeatedly, such as Steve and DC, and even one of the people who moved up from KCFV to the traffic copter locally on a local station, well he apparently distressed someone of a minority at work and they lodged complaints, and now he's removed.

Radio is a very volatile, changing and hostile environment to work in, and I didn't cut it. But I'm still fascinated with how it functions.

Nightowl >8#
(The Newscaster at KCFV who got to announce the Challenger explosion and the fall of the Berlin Wall... two things I'll never forget as long as I live.)






"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New Answers to your questions
I've got a question about Top 40, though. Is that even still around? I haven't heard that "term" in a really long time, so does the "Top 40" still exist? If so, what on earth would constitute a Top 40 format in the 90's?

Oh, its still around, all right. It's just got a different (sanatized, politicaly-and-corporately-correct) name. Find the station on your radio dial that plays back-to-back Brittany Spears, Justin Timberlake, Christine Agulera [sic], and every black "girl group" coming out these days. When you find it, you've found Top 40 for the New Millenium. (I am unfamiliar with the current St. Louis market, or I'd be able to give you a call sign. Although, didn't KSHE eminate from there? It was one of the greats back in the day...)

Around here (Chicago area), that would be WBBM-FM (aka B-96) or KISS (which is, paradoxically, not a call sign, but rather a Corporate trademark.)

Nightowl >8#
(The Newscaster at KCFV who got to announce the Challenger explosion and the fall of the Berlin Wall... two things I'll never forget as long as I live.)

How very cool (no that is not sarcasm, it is quite simply, very cool to be in that place at that time!)

BTW, where was KCFV?
jb4
"We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's."
Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
New Re: Answers to your questions
Oh, its still around, all right. It's just got a different (sanatized, politicaly-and-corporately-correct) name. Find the station on your radio dial that plays back-to-back Brittany Spears, Justin Timberlake, Christine Agulera [sic], and every black "girl group" coming out these days. When you find it, you've found Top 40 for the New Millenium. (I am unfamiliar with the current St. Louis market, or I'd be able to give you a call sign. Although, didn't KSHE eminate from there? It was one of the greats back in the day...)


Hmmm I don't listen to Brittany Spears, Justin Timberlake, or any of those! I don't even know what they sing! Heheh!

KSHE was from here, and you are right, it was a GREAT radio station back in the day. Now it's still called KSHE, but owned by Emmis Corp., and still plays Rock, well sort of. ;)

How very cool (no that is not sarcasm, it is quite simply, very cool to be in that place at that time!)


BTW, where was KCFV?


Thanks, it was historical and very neat to be there during those moments, although the first was very sad.

KCFV still exists, it was/is a New Wave radio station based at St. Louis Community College at Florissant Valley. In the time I worked there it was called "New Rock Radio" and played those things mentioned by someone earlier, like REM, Billy Idol, and Depeche Mode, to name a few.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New KCFV Update
I don't know if you've tuned in KCFV recently, but I thought you might be interested in knowing that it's no longer "the wave of the future", and has opted to be "North County's New Sound". We're almost strictly Top 40 (CHR-Rhythmic), though right now there's a bit of a mutiny happening over the music, might go varietal. I'm the Asst. News Dir. there currently. Hope you're interested.

Lou
New Wow! Hello Lou!
I don't know if you've tuned in KCFV recently, but I thought you might be interested in knowing that it's no longer "the wave of the future", and has opted to be "North County's New Sound". We're almost strictly Top 40 (CHR-Rhythmic), though right now there's a bit of a mutiny happening over the music, might go varietal. I'm the Asst. News Dir. there currently. Hope you're interested.


I was just posting to Dianna the other day on the KCFV website (Yahoo group). She told us about you coming to the station!

How did you find IWT, or have you always been here?

I don't listen to radio too much these days but occasionally we turn KCFV on for fun in the car. Mostly I run classical music on 99.1 for my parakeet... he grew up with quiet classical music and I inherited him, but I'm slowly teaching him to appreciate rock. ;)

I'll have to check it out, for sure sometime soon though! Thanks!

And welcome to IWT!

Brenda



"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
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"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
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New Don't Mess With that
poor bird's edjakated Ear, y'hear?

""Classic"" Rock is to classical Music
..as..
{military justice is to justice.}

The bird's got cuth.
You get some.. by osmosis, for respecting that.
S/He Knows >the difference<.





Want a piece outta yer finger, next?





Saving Birds' Psyches, LLC
Div. of Crush All the Transistorized-Guitars Ltd.
.. for just plain Goodness' sake.
New Hehe, yep, I agree!
He's a he parakeet, named Sylvester, and he prefers violins, string orchestras, etc. He really loves Strauss and Vivaldi, they are two of his favorites.

He stands K-hits (my local 70's station) when the classical station is doing Opera, (he can't stand opera and Wagner makes him think something is coming to eat him!), but whenever Rod Stewart sings, he gets hyper and squawks and flies in dive bombing motions if we don't switch the station. He does that with Bonnie Rait, and a few other gravelly voiced singers too, and anything that he thinks is coming to eat him, like really weird synthesizer stuff. There's one song in particular he hates and tells us about, but I don't know the name, but it starts with this really weird instrumental, and then the rest of the song is all instrumental, but the first part sounds like something coming to get you.

He's some bird, allright!

Brenda



"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
****************************

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
***********************************

"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
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New Song that Sylvy hates (new thread)
Created as new thread #261791 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=261791|Song that Sylvy hates]



"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
****************************

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
***********************************

"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
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     Saving Radio - (cwbrenn) - (66)
         Since WHEN, did joo become such an - (folkert) - (1)
             Who, me? - (cwbrenn)
         Disagree - (bepatient)
         Agree and disagree - (jb4) - (35)
             Good info. - (cwbrenn) - (3)
                 Post away! - (jb4) - (2)
                     OK, it's done. - (cwbrenn) - (1)
                         Kewl! Thanx.... -NT - (jb4)
             What a startling echo of Murican Coup d'Etat Politicoscam! -NT - (Ashton)
             To add on... - (bepatient) - (16)
                 OK, but... - (cwbrenn) - (10)
                     if I understand it correctly - (SpiceWare) - (4)
                         You got it, Spice! - (jb4) - (3)
                             Does WXRT in Chicago still exist? - (lincoln) - (2)
                                 Yes, they still exist - (Yendor)
                                 Yeah, in a manner of speaking - (jb4)
                     I think jb hit the nuance.. - (bepatient) - (4)
                         Ah, I see. I got my terminology wrong. - (cwbrenn)
                         And another thing... - (jb4) - (2)
                             Decline due to file sharing - (jake123)
                             Re: And another thing... - (Nightowl)
                 Surprize, Soo-prize SOOOO-PRIHZE! - (jb4)
                 Can I use this post as well? - (cwbrenn) - (2)
                     Sure. (blush) -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                         Cool. - (cwbrenn)
                 Nevermind - ignore this post - (cwbrenn)
             Thanks for the history. WP story on Lee Abrams. - (Another Scott)
             Re: Agree and disagree - (Nightowl) - (7)
                 Answers to your questions - (jb4) - (6)
                     Re: Answers to your questions - (Nightowl) - (5)
                         KCFV Update - (Lou) - (4)
                             Wow! Hello Lou! - (Nightowl) - (3)
                                 Don't Mess With that - (Ashton) - (2)
                                     Hehe, yep, I agree! - (Nightowl) - (1)
                                         Song that Sylvy hates (new thread) - (Nightowl)
             High School Oooh Oooh - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                 Some Links - (jbrabeck) - (2)
                     I am in awe - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                         Sometimes I get lucky - (jbrabeck)
         Interesting article... - (bepatient) - (8)
             Depressing quote from that - (drewk) - (7)
                 Don't you remember singing along to . . . - (jbrabeck) - (4)
                     Wagner - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                         Ha! -NT - (Another Scott)
                         **giggle** - (jb4)
                     Re: Don't you remember singing along to . . . - (Nightowl)
                 "Too long, too down, no play!" - (jb4) - (1)
                     Shine on you crazy diamonds? -NT - (inthane-chan)
         luckily there is Internet radio - (andread) - (2)
             Not if the Copyright orifice has its way... - (jb4) - (1)
                 They are charging - (andread)
         Saint Louis Radio changes too fast - (orion)
         Side note on <F>ormat - (Silverlock) - (3)
             Ooh, more polarization - (drewk) - (2)
                 well, perhaps at least - (cwbrenn) - (1)
                     Revenge of the Dittoheads! - (jb4)
         errata - (cwbrenn) - (2)
             Clearchannel is the enemy. -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                 Seconded - (jb4)
         Radio is dead - (ChrisR) - (3)
             Nothing to see. Move along.... -NT - (Another Scott)
             You need something like TripleJ - (Meerkat) - (1)
                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (Another Scott)
         And I am now pleased to report - (cwbrenn) - (2)
             K5 link? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                 Here ya go: - (cwbrenn)

It's not rocket surgery!
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