It is borne out in history...

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Post #80,809

by bepatient

2/10/03 10:57:44 PM

It is borne out in history...

...that in many cases our assistance has been used against us later. Japan is another example.

Point being...do we stop offering aid and support...or do we continue offering aid and support...knowing that every once in a while its gonna jump up and bite us in the ass.

Close the borders or continue to be an interested, active world citizen?

There really isn't a whole lot of middle ground in this choice.

Oh sure...we all have our "causes"...and we can't be all things to everyone..which means some peoples "causes" are left wanting...but we as a country are either out there..or we're not.

If you go hunting for "irony"...you will find it often.

This is not a blanket absolution for some of the stupid shit that we've done...just the either/or that is presented...we do or we don't.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson}

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]

Post #80,999

by mmoffitt

2/11/03 7:31:47 PM

Boy, there's a euphemism for you.

continue to be an interested, active world citizen?

Don't think I've ever heard "imperialist" described so loftily.

A different look at the "evidence". - (Brandioch) - (68) - Feb. 6, 2003, 10:24:46 PM EST

UN SCR 1441 says the burden's on Iraq. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 6, 2003, 10:46:09 PM EST

Let me clarify that. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2003, 11:51:07 PM EST

Thats only one aspect of many. - (bepatient) - Feb. 7, 2003, 01:59:09 AM EST

Clever bit of politics - (JayMehaffey) - (64) - Feb. 6, 2003, 10:51:52 PM EST

Re: Clever bit of politics - (dmarker) - (63) - Feb. 6, 2003, 11:14:12 PM EST

Look at the parallels. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 7, 2003, 12:02:41 AM EST

Misguided view - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 7, 2003, 12:17:56 AM EST

Excuse me? - (bepatient) - (54) - Feb. 7, 2003, 02:04:33 AM EST

Ohhh lawdy lawdy - where do we begin - (dmarker) - (50) - Feb. 7, 2003, 02:39:36 AM EST

Start with trying to deny any of those statements. -NT - (bepatient) - (49) - Feb. 7, 2003, 07:24:36 AM EST

I'll start us off. - (mmoffitt) - (48) - Feb. 7, 2003, 12:47:09 PM EST

We've been through that too many times... - (bepatient) - (47) - Feb. 7, 2003, 02:35:52 PM EST

How do you do that? - (mmoffitt) - (46) - Feb. 7, 2003, 03:51:28 PM EST

Occam - (bepatient) - (43) - Feb. 7, 2003, 04:34:16 PM EST

I chose to believe no one. - (mmoffitt) - (42) - Feb. 9, 2003, 11:22:01 AM EST

No I don't. - (bepatient) - (41) - Feb. 9, 2003, 12:18:48 PM EST

Do you mangle everyone's statements, or just mine? - (mmoffitt) - (40) - Feb. 9, 2003, 03:53:41 PM EST

Mangle?? - (bepatient) - (36) - Feb. 9, 2003, 04:54:21 PM EST

"Reading for Comprehension" != "Conspiracy Theory" - (mmoffitt) - (35) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:14:33 AM EST

Read the words. - (bepatient) - (33) - Feb. 10, 2003, 11:38:25 AM EST

We have no opinion on your dispute. - (mmoffitt) - (24) - Feb. 10, 2003, 11:42:09 AM EST

Because... - (bepatient) - (23) - Feb. 10, 2003, 01:54:31 PM EST

So, we're naive in addition to everything else. - (mmoffitt) - (22) - Feb. 10, 2003, 02:42:17 PM EST

Ambassadors are party contributors (you said Dolt) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 02:46:13 PM EST

Ah, but she was quoting "James Baker" then SoS. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:08:23 PM EST

Who is "we" - (bepatient) - (19) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:15:13 PM EST

"any suitable methods" - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:20:05 PM EST

You can't read, can you. - (bepatient) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:30:55 PM EST

James Baker issued instructions in the late 60's - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:55:51 PM EST

Glaspie checked w/Baker before the meeting-thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 10, 2003, 07:52:14 PM EST

Addendum. - (mmoffitt) - (14) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:24:07 PM EST

Wow... - (bepatient) - (13) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:42:48 PM EST

Ah.. the Pontius Pilate lateral arabesque - - (Ashton) - (12) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:19:43 PM EST

Ah...so you thought that.. - (bepatient) - (11) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:27:39 PM EST

Funny thing about our 'foresight'. Never mind '15 years' - (Ashton) - (7) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:52:43 PM EST

Whatever you say. - (bepatient) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:57:02 PM EST

Then why are we not invading Syria as well? - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 06:04:20 PM EST

Ask Bush^H^H^H^H Rumsfeld. -NT - (Silverlock) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:52:20 PM EST

Obtuse still? *Pattern of behaviour* is the constant. -NT - (Ashton) - (3) - Feb. 10, 2003, 06:05:29 PM EST

Yes you are still obtuse. -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2003, 06:08:48 PM EST

Missed again: I'm scalene, - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 06:30:07 PM EST

No apparent need to do anything but repeat my previous post. -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 10, 2003, 06:48:12 PM EST

I can't think of an exclamatory strong enough - (Silverlock) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2003, 09:51:51 PM EST

It is borne out in history... - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:57:44 PM EST

Boy, there's a euphemism for you. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 11, 2003, 07:31:47 PM EST

Oh, I see: the Market Will Correct. Right? -NT - (Ashton) - (7) - Feb. 10, 2003, 04:57:28 PM EST

What the???? possibly *babble* - (bepatient) - (6) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:10:47 PM EST

It's the laissez-faire slogan, no? - (Ashton) - (5) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:32:05 PM EST

As was thought... - (bepatient) - (4) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:55:03 PM EST

Do you even wonder why? - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:08:30 PM EST

Wrong... - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:43:22 PM EST

Well that explains it - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:54:28 PM EST

"Displeased" is amorphus. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 11, 2003, 07:33:28 PM EST

A different take on AG's conversation with Saddam. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:56:30 PM EST

Ah, I see you've met "The Strawman". -NT - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 9, 2003, 05:22:01 PM EST

"The Strawman" - (orion) - Feb. 9, 2003, 06:01:18 PM EST

From you? Thats funny. - (bepatient) - Feb. 9, 2003, 06:19:07 PM EST

Exactly. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2003, 04:57:44 PM EST

So now >you< believe this bunk? - (bepatient) - Feb. 8, 2003, 10:03:39 AM EST

Well.. yeah - missin-out on Justice an all - - (Ashton) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2003, 09:19:23 AM EST

He could....... - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2003, 10:10:13 AM EST

Aren't you one of those... - (bepatient) - Feb. 7, 2003, 11:46:36 AM EST

Here's some clever politics... - (screamer) - (5) - Feb. 7, 2003, 10:24:02 AM EST

Well, let's run it up the flagpole and see who salutes - - (Ashton) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2003, 10:54:40 AM EST

Semi personal reply... - (screamer) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2003, 12:02:01 PM EST

Nam was unprecedented. - (Ashton) - Feb. 7, 2003, 12:58:14 PM EST

Got dizzy reading - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2003, 12:19:45 PM EST

Exactly. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 7, 2003, 12:51:09 PM EST

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