You REALLY don't understand taxes.

Post #73,918 by Brandioch 1/10/03 1:39:55 PM Reply	You REALLY don't understand taxes. Unfortunately, Liberals cannot grasp this straight-forward logic! Okay, I'll start with the BASICS. #1. The government takes money from you in a VARIETY of ways. payroll taxes social security taxes sales taxes usage fees cigarette taxes and so on Do you still follow? #2. In that example, each of the 10 people HAD THE SAME CONSUMPTION. This does not happen. And this is linked to #1. Someone who smokes pays taxes that are not levied against a non-smoker. #3. Reducing the price of a meal by $20 is the same as giving the person $20. Isn't it? Well, that depends upon how that person is paying for the meal. If it is on a credit card or with cash or with a check and so forth. #4. Bush has NOT proposed to cut the TOTAL TAX by 20% (don't argue about the number). Bush has proposed to cut CERTAIN REVENUE STREAMS by certain amounts. In the example, they are offered $20. Not 50% of the cost of their dessert and 10% of the cost of their drinks and 15% of the cost of any beef dishes for a total of $20. #5. And, finally, that $20 is coming out of the owner's PROFITS! The government does NOT make a PROFIT. I cannot believe how ignorant people are about how their government operates.
Post #73,921 by deSitter 1/10/03 1:49:46 PM Reply	This is true as well, but I had in mind something even simpler. This is a trick, like proving zero=one but not quite as ridiculous. There are a lot of tricks like this in the magician's bag. -drl
Post #73,926 by bepatient 1/10/03 2:07:49 PM Reply	Then do it. Give me the "algebra" Cause his numbers are accurate re: >income< taxes...which is what the article is about. So...prove 0=1 You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #73,968 by Brandioch 1/10/03 5:46:10 PM Reply	Exactly. Now, I know there are going to be those out there who will say this is about "income taxes". So, I'll quote the lines containing the word "income". ... This isn't about any SINGLE tax. This is about "taxes" and how it's only fair that the people who pay more should get more tax relief. Like I pointed out in my reply, the $20 is coming from the owner's PROFITS. Government doesn't MAKE a profit. Right now, we're running a DEFICIT. For those of you with limited brainpower, that means we are SPENDING more than we are TAKING IN. Is this a hard concept for people to understand? Only for certain people. So, the tax cut isn't coming out of EXCESS MONEY (as in the example). The tax cut is a means to an end. That end is ... To get the economy running again. Because, despite what certain people might keep claiming, the economy sucks and has sucked and is predicted to continue sucking. So, do you take the same tact when you don't have enough money as when you have too much money? Only a pathetic moron would do that. But then, a pathetic moron wouldn't understand our tax system either and would fall for simplistic "examples" such as this. If this were an accurate example, the owner would have mortgaged his establishment and the diners would each own a chunk of that mortgage. Then the owner would have to explain why he couldn't pay the mortgage and would they like a discount on some portions of their meal? Just so other people could see them eating there and then those other people might come in and buy something and then he could pay the mortgage. Simplistic works for fools.
Post #73,988 by bepatient 1/10/03 8:24:26 PM Reply	And the counter... ...that only a fool couldn't grasp the context in the current political debate about >income< taxes. And further would introduce irrelevent facts about whether the owner of the establishement owed money to the bank while still treating customers well. Lesse...theres the Tin Man, the Cowardly Lion...and what was that other guy full of....he would be a ... nah...couldn't be. And every single restaurant owner in America who has a bill to pay and gives >any< customer a discount or rebate has now been branded a "pathetic moron". Thats a pretty big list. Not to mention any other business owner that carries debt and gives discounts or rebates. Boy that list of pathetic morons is getting long. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #73,925 by bepatient 1/10/03 2:06:13 PM Reply	Focus on Federal. It really does get simpler. But, of course, the view doesn't agree with yours...so you introduce alot of unrelated items. >Federal< sales tax? When was that introduced? Are we changing social security withholding? No. Cigarette taxes? Sure theres a little piece thats federal but mostly state. Focus...Brandi-san...must focus. The article was about the >income< tax debate. Funny how that works. --- If you want to debate that there are too many of these various taxes at various levels of government...you will not get an argument from me...because I agree...and they all need to be cut. If your going to try and convince someone that the article was innacurate about the >income< tax system...introduce something other than "you don't understand"...because he does...and thats pretty much how the numbers come out. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #73,942 by boxley 1/10/03 4:05:23 PM Reply	federal sales tax on gas cigs alcohol telecommunications etc will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian
Post #73,989 by bepatient 1/10/03 8:26:41 PM Reply	Certain items...sure. General >sales<...not really. Cigs and booze are insignificant compared to state levied taxes on same. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #74,439 by lincoln 1/14/03 12:50:25 PM Reply	Those aren't "taxes", they're "user fees" I only pay them when I purchase the product, or pay my monthly service bill. They're still insignificant compared to income tax, but at least these are ones I can CHOOSE to avoid if I don't buy the products and/or services that are being taxed. Example: My monthly cigarette tax is $0.00, but my monthly gasoline tax is probably around $40 - $50 (guesstimate). lincoln "Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig"
Post #74,883 by boxley 1/16/03 10:55:59 AM Reply	and sales tax on food is also a user fee? will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian
Post #74,962 by bepatient 1/16/03 6:31:42 PM Reply	Fed? Food? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #75,005 by boxley 1/16/03 9:56:26 PM Reply	state not fed except for ag subsidies which are levied against general fund, so round about, food is taxed. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian

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