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New Another problem
The main cost win with universal health care is streamlined paperwork - there is no question who pays so you don't have constant streams of fingerpointing as each party passes the bill to someone else.

This proposal does nothing about that issue.

Cheers,
Ben
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
New Yep, paperwork is a big problem.
I could not believe the convoluted process my wife had to use to get some allergy medicine. Initially, the local chain drug store is OK to use and one gets a pretty good discount. After 60 days, the drug store cannot give a discount and a mail order process with a specific company has to be used. The doctor has to fax the prescription in to this company in some unspecified way that makes the origin verifiable. Then there one has to wait for two weeks for the stuff to show up in the mail. When it doesn't the patient has to make umpteen calls to figure out what went wrong in the process. In the meanwhile, you are forced to pay full retail price to stay medicated.

Fortunately, Claritin and generic equivalents are now available "over the counter" w/o a prescription and for less than the original discounted price.
Alex

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."\t-- Mark Twain
New Others as well, and agree.
Even a law mandating an industry consortium come up with a standard paper-trail process could do a lot of good. I've seen this happen in several industries, particularly automotive.

Prescriptions: I read recently that patents awarded for prescriptions are for SEVENTEEN years. I'm all for pharmaceutical companies recovering their investment in R&D, but they ought to have to justify it..and 17 years seem ludicrous. Also, FDA processes needs improved and simplified to lower some of that cost.

Hospital expenses: Is it just me or is anyone else amazed at constant contruction/remodeling of hospital facilities? I'm almost disgusted at the quality of furnishings, architecture, lighting, etc. that I see in Hospitals.
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Steve
New All patents are 17 years
And given the costs of the research piplines, biotech is one of the few places where that figure seems defensible IMHO.

Cheers,
Ben
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
New Re: defensible?
17 years is defensible but endless patent [link|http://home.cwru.edu/activism/READ/WP032502.html|extensions] are not.
"To me, profit is not a dirty word, but you've also got to play by the rules," said South Dakota Gov. William J. Janklow, a Republican running for Congress. "What the drug companies are doing is obvious. They get to the very end of a patent, then change the color or throw in an inert ingredient and claim they need a new patent."

In the past two years, Bristol-Myers Squibb has stalled the market debut of generic versions of its diabetes medication Glucophage, the anti-anxiety drug BuSpar and cancer therapies Platinol and Taxol, say the researchers for the Business for Affordable Medicine coalition.

In the case of Prilosec, AstraZeneca argues it is strictly following the provisions of the law, first taking advantage of the pediatric exclusivity and then suing Andrx Corp. for what it believes are patent violations. "We have not taken advantage of any loopholes in Hatch-Waxman," company spokeswoman Rachel Bloom-Baglin said. The case is pending in a New York court.
Alex

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."\t-- Mark Twain
New Agreed
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
New This is a problem. But the cure might be worse.
I worked for an HMO for about six years. Streamlining paperwork is a difficult issue. For instance, my HMO assigned patient numbers. There were carve-outs for cardio, vision, pharmacy, etc. that we bundled with our product to sell (this is very common practice). Now, get sick enough that you have to use two or more of these carve-out products. Guess what? Each carve-out is owned and operated by a separate company, with separate billing systems, with separate payment rules, with (perhaps most of all) seperate member (read patient) id numbers. Some in the industry pushed for "universal member numbers". That would certainly help in streamlining paperwork, but raises well justified (imo) concerns about confidentiality of medical information.

If you want the world to know the information, put it on a system of networked computing devices. If you're going to seriously streamline paperwork, computer networks will be used. So, be careful what you ask for.

The real problem with HMO's is that they only went after one glutton in the US. On the coasts, HMO's finally got down to where they gleefully spoke of reducing clinician salaries to approx. 120% of Medi-Care payments for the same services. That's bad, but better than they faired with drug companies and hospitals. In the Midwest, it was more like "down to 150-170% of Medi-Care".

The industry average overhead for claims processing when I left the industry in 2000 was 16%. That's high enough, but I don't know what the costs were of traditional indemnity plan processing (aside: ours ran between 10.5 and 11 per cent).

The real culprits of high medical costs are (in no particular order):

1. Americans wanting to live forever and being willing to spend their great-great-great-great-grandchildren's money to stay alive on a vent for "just one more day".
2. Obscene profiteering by drug companies.
3. Hospitals making an obscene profit (including not-for-profits).
4. Clinician salaries.

Each contributes, reasonable minds may differ on order.
     New idea for universal health care - (bluke) - (17)
         I don't think universal care will work in the US until - (Another Scott) - (8)
             That I do not believe - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                 2 points re Oregon and Hillary - (bbronson) - (1)
                     Question - (ben_tilly)
             physician salaries are slightly less than mine - (boxley) - (3)
                 Damn, you make a lot of money. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                     so the docs I talk to are stupid or lying? - (boxley) - (1)
                         Not knowing them, I give 'em the benefit of the doubt. - (mmoffitt)
             Physicians salaries in Israel ... - (bluke)
         Another problem - (ben_tilly) - (6)
             Yep, paperwork is a big problem. - (a6l6e6x)
             Others as well, and agree. - (Steve Lowe) - (3)
                 All patents are 17 years - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                     Re: defensible? - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                         Agreed -NT - (ben_tilly)
             This is a problem. But the cure might be worse. - (mmoffitt)
         You gotta be kidding!!! - (jb4)

I seem to remember a rather Stupid rendition sometime back.
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