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Post #63,192
by Silverlock
11/16/02 5:49:23 AM
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New Damn
I got parsed. And I'm too tired to do a point by point response.

I thought my point (admittedly longwinded) was that the "opt out" provision in this bill is what makes it so objectionable. What exactly is it about this observation you are disagreeing with?
Post #63,269
by Brandioch
11/16/02 5:31:10 PM
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New My objection.
#1. That ANY oath is being administered to CHILDREN.

#2. The "opt-out" policy MIGHT be enough to get this passed.

#3. But, back to my original point....


WHY is #1. NECESSARY?

And THAT is the part that no one can answer.

Not "well, would you accept it with THESE restrictions?"

Not "well, it MIGHT pass the USSC with THESE restrictions".

But what SPECIFIC PROBLEM is this supposed to address?

I understand why we have speed limits.
I understand why we have laws against stealing.
I understand why we have cops.

I do NOT understand what this law will PROTECT anyone from.
     Pennsylvania passes "Pledge" bill - (Silverlock) - (61) - Nov. 15, 2002, 03:36:23 PM EST
         Makes me even prouder of my daughter. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:03:08 PM EST
             Gotta say this - (Silverlock) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:56:19 AM EST
             Now if that story could travel the grapevine - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 06:03:18 AM EST
         Nail #666013 in the Coffin. - (Ashton) - (57) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:26:46 PM EST
             And the previous administration? - (wharris2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:43:19 PM EST
             What if they take the.. - (bepatient) - (55) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:46:06 PM EST
                 Just out of curiosity: Would that do it for you? -NT - (CRConrad) - (9) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:50:19 PM EST
                     I don't see another... - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:06:57 PM EST
                         The act of protesting - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:24:41 PM EST
                             I suppose that - (bepatient) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:33:07 PM EST
                         I'd agree 'over-reaction' if.. - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:35:55 PM EST
                         Over reaction? - (deSitter) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:03:37 PM EST
                         I agree - (Silverlock) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:24:03 AM EST
                             Sure. - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:22:14 AM EST
                                 Possibly it is more significant now because of 'conditions' - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 03:23:49 PM EST
                         Never mind the constitution... - (CRConrad) - Nov. 16, 2002, 07:00:57 PM EST
                 Here's my disagreement. - (inthane-chan) - (42) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:11:12 PM EST
                     Precisamente, Thane - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:52:03 PM EST
                     Ditto and more. - (Brandioch) - (40) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:07:22 PM EST
                         Mere slothful thought + partisan Bible-thumping - I guess -NT - (Ashton) - (39) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:50:41 PM EST
                             I'd guess similar. - (Brandioch) - (38) - Nov. 15, 2002, 10:53:58 PM EST
                                 Both you and Ashton are reacting to the wrong thing - (Silverlock) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:52:46 AM EST
                                     I don't think so. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:11:28 AM EST
                                         Damn - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:49:23 AM EST
                                             My objection. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:31:10 PM EST
                                     Oh,...the irony... - (jb4) - Nov. 20, 2002, 02:35:19 PM EST
                                 A shameless barter.. - (Ashton) - (32) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:47:40 AM EST
                                     You got it. - (Brandioch) - (31) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:40:29 PM EST
                                         Tell ya what I find rilly *discouraging* about this thread - (Ashton) - (30) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:21:44 PM EST
                                             Ashton, are you arguing against automatic citizenship? - (wharris2) - (11) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:51:28 PM EST
                                                 Ah, the traditional response. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:23:21 PM EST
                                                 Believe in being as honest with my gov as they are with me\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:44:13 PM EST
                                                 where in the hell do you pledge alegiance to "someone"? - (boxley) - (8) - Nov. 16, 2002, 10:09:34 PM EST
                                                     What is the pledge? - (wharris2) - (7) - Nov. 17, 2002, 07:23:57 AM EST
                                                         Sorry my constitution doesnt deport citizens - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2002, 09:08:25 AM EST
                                                         Why thats simple... - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 17, 2002, 03:07:06 PM EST
                                                             React early - or watch attention span wane via next Warz ads -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2002, 05:44:41 PM EST
                                                             Re: Why thats simple... - (wharris2) - (3) - Nov. 17, 2002, 06:51:00 PM EST
                                                                 that was the Roman model - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2002, 07:18:00 PM EST
                                                                     Never had the option, here - (wharris2) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2002, 08:37:25 PM EST
                                                                         that is the problem with military service being a prereq - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2002, 09:14:25 PM EST
                                             Because those oaths have worked. - (Brandioch) - (17) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:07:59 PM EST
                                                 nit when did we ever breed for intelligence after slavery - (boxley) - (16) - Nov. 16, 2002, 10:11:30 PM EST
                                                     Many years ago. - (Brandioch) - (15) - Nov. 16, 2002, 11:41:10 PM EST
                                                         The link was broken way before that - (mhuber) - (14) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:53:16 AM EST
                                                             Even more basic - - (Ashton) - Nov. 18, 2002, 03:54:10 PM EST
                                                             Evolution. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:03:57 PM EST
                                                             You can't be serious, can you? - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:37:12 PM EST
                                                                 100% serious. - (mhuber) - (3) - Nov. 26, 2002, 02:32:00 AM EST
                                                                     In that huge span - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:12:14 AM EST
                                                                         What advance in capabilities? - (mhuber) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:24:50 PM EST
                                                                             You're mixing 2 discussions here... - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:35:58 PM EST
                                                             Can't find a reference right now... - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:23:57 PM EST
                                                                 are you implying meateaters are smarter - (boxley) - (5) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:43:04 PM EST
                                                                     Neither - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:48:24 PM EST
                                                                         Gould questioned that - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:26:04 PM EST
                                                                             If he wrote about it... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:45:07 PM EST
                                                                                 Overstated the case - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2002, 09:54:33 PM EST
                                                                                     That fits my recollection as well :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2002, 11:11:52 PM EST
                 Basically, No - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2002, 02:27:22 PM EST
                     Yes - free speech is also the right to remain silent. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 20, 2002, 05:04:53 PM EST

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