if the best and the brightest are programming the boing max

Post #431,685 by boxley 11/13/19 9:55:25 PM 11/13/19 9:55:25 PM Reply	if the best and the brightest are programming the boing max what are the chances that those designing our puter operated motor vehicles take as much care? "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #431,692 by drook 11/13/19 11:27:29 PM 11/13/19 11:27:29 PM Reply	Couple things First, I think the whole point of the story is that Boeing stopped listening to the best and the brightest. Second, because they stopped listening, when they were told about the problem instead of fixing it they offered to sell the fix for an additional fee. Third, when there's a bug in a car the likely consequences are orders of magnitude smaller. Rather than a crash, you're more likely to get some bug reports, which you fix. And finally, who said the best and brightest hadn't already chased stock options to Uber and Waymo? -- Drew
Post #431,708 by Ashton 11/14/19 11:19:25 PM 11/14/19 11:19:25 PM Reply	+5, they're all First-points.
Post #431,694 by scoenye 11/14/19 7:49:12 AM 11/14/19 7:49:12 AM Reply	The best and brightest https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers apparently caused too much drag on the C-suite stock options The Max software -- plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs. Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.
Post #431,698 by drook 11/14/19 1:40:07 PM 11/14/19 1:40:07 PM Reply	Look at that, I should be a pundit -- Drew
Post #431,709 by Ashton 11/15/19 12:50:10 AM 11/15/19 12:50:10 AM Reply	You are, Rabbit--you are cuz the zeitgeist is largely incapable of [both logic + Reasoning]--on so many topics as need both; thus as in, "In the land of the blind the One-eyed are KIngs". Secondly, 'Debate' used to be a class (at least in my H.S. and others) Am unsure if such-Class (or music, arts, Thinking-to-a-Purpose?) are available in many 2019 "classes". We're spoiled in our tiny sinecure/IWE as the jobs/professions of all demanded those attributes as Basic. {{sigh}} aka Little-by-little it seeps in, that the essential difference 'twixt olden-days and Now-days is the obvious decline of this Basic!-"S.Q." ... Survival Quotient. I've encountered so many prime-examples--yout + 'adult'--of Low-SQ, yet there are Survivors (always good for endorphins: to spot). Ex: a young woman (say 33-36?) working at a small market. I'd enquired about getting an "UpperCrust" {boffo-™) 'Amaretto Pumpkin Pie' and ordering same. She asked if I 'did science' maybe? I copped a plea ... since then we look for each other, share Pythonesque quips and ... I see that she's ready for: expansion towards --> better use of innate talent. Best kind of endorphins, as palpable-hope for the post-RWNJ-world ... if we're fucking-Lucky, next. w.t.f. OK #Two: A 21 yo woman--doubtless suffering being a simply beautiful creature, thus all the BS as shall be directed in any next, notices I'm reading while waiting.. Wylie's "The Disappearance", (This in a small cafe overlooking same Creek as flows past moi). Asks something. Many conversations as I dropped in periodically for over a year, when she was to leave for a Washington (State) school. ∑: she would alter her course-list; maybe shall return to this job in-between; any 'education' was mutual. ✓ ie We're all Teachers now, if we but invest a few minutes of full-attention towards anyone expressing something more cerebral than, 'Have a Nice Day' ..whatever the pedestrian locale, eh? A few such 'intentional mind experiments' cause me to discern that there's more 'hunger' out there, seeking some exchange that is non-trivial ..than there is much awarenss of the Fact. (And it is reciprocal of course), always confirming that most of our stereotypes Suck--an inner dialogue which must accompany any application of Golden Rules, and like that. :-þ Carrion ..sometimes it happens from lazy inAttention.
Post #431,695 by mvitale 11/14/19 8:02:51 AM 11/14/19 8:02:51 AM Reply	Having recently started... ...consulting at a US Motor Company, I can attest that here in my little enclave, the programmers are trying their damnedest to produce high-quality software. They're also much more attuned to continual learning and self-and-team-improvement than in my previous multiple gigs in the financial services industry. -Mike @MikeVitale42 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #431,703 by boxley 11/14/19 10:39:01 PM 11/14/19 10:39:01 PM Reply	well since you are there :-) can we get a menu of "fiddly bits" that the home user can tune performance? thank you "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #431,706 by Ashton 11/14/19 11:02:46 PM 11/14/19 11:02:46 PM Reply	There you go again.. allus thinkin of somethin to Eat. ;^>

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