BiP was a brick wall when it came to Ukraine.

Post #420,298 by Another Scott 9/12/17 10:25:10 AM 9/12/17 10:25:10 AM Reply	BiP was a brick wall when it came to Ukraine. Haven't seen him post much of anything since around a year after the MH-17 incident. You're no BiP. ;-) However, I did find this: 8/18/14 3:23:43 PM Eh, wiki's not authoritative anyway. ;0) I'm not Gerald Ford. I won't say the Ukraine is free from Russian influence. But the fact remains that had not the Neo-Nazis created a violent atmosphere in Kiev, events should have, could have and would have turned out much differently. And let's be clear, the West was pushing for Ukraine to enter NATO. We have consistently broken our promises to Russia and brought NATO all the way to her borders. We are the aggressors and have always been. Nukes in Turkey pointed at Moscow are okay but retaliatory nukes in Cuba? WE MUST LAUNCH ON THE GODLESS COMMUNISTS IMMEDIATELY! I've little doubt that the West will get their way - we always do. Putin, like Kruschev before him, is a vastly superior world citizen than Merkel, Cameron or Obama. For the sake of world peace, Kruschev was willing to leave Moscow open to a nuclear attack to which he could not respond. Similarly, for the sake of world peace, Putin will have to lose the Ukraine and endure being surrounded by hostile forces. That's the way we roll in the West. That may well bring an end to the cult of personality surrounding Putin. Russians don't like having Nazis or their sympathizers on their western border - that didn't turn out too well for them before. And if Putin's loss of the Ukraine costs him all his power at home, then what? This is a dangerous game we're playing I'd hope that you don't still feel that way... Cheers, Scott.
Post #420,300 by CRConrad 9/12/17 10:36:09 AM 9/12/17 10:36:09 AM Reply	I was going to Google, but thanks, AS! Mike: Need a fire extinguisher for those trousers?
Post #420,302 by mmoffitt 9/12/17 1:56:18 PM 9/12/17 1:56:18 PM Reply	Heh. I didn't see the thread you posted in my very limited, very manual search. My mistake. I certainly didn't intentionally overlook it. With the exception of calling Putin a statesman, I don't think what I said in that post was all that outrageous. Not when we have photos like this, for example. Or the reporting that Robert Parry did subsequent to my post in pieces like this one and this one about Vicky Nuland. Here's another article from a different source on that leaked phone call. I haven't changed my mind about, overall, our being the aggressor against Russia. From sending our troops to overthrow the Russian government in its infancy, to the missiles of October, to the "not one inch east" lie, to Victoria Nuland's work for destabilization, the US has always been playing with the White pieces in this chess game. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #420,303 by Another Scott 9/12/17 3:07:59 PM 9/12/17 3:07:59 PM Reply	So Putin's better than Obama, still, then? Okay...
Post #420,304 by mmoffitt 9/12/17 3:14:49 PM 9/12/17 3:18:33 PM Reply	What do you think I meant by, "With the exception of calling Putin a statesman"? Maybe that still isn't explicit enough. No, I do not believe Putin is superior, in any way, to Merkel, Cameron or Obama as I'd previously suggested. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. Edited by mmoffitt Sept. 12, 2017, 03:18:33 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #420,305 by Another Scott 9/12/17 4:55:42 PM 9/12/17 4:55:42 PM Reply	Dunno. :-) Thanks, it's clear now.
Post #420,315 by mmoffitt 9/13/17 8:56:17 AM 9/13/17 8:56:17 AM Reply	Yeah, I think that knee-jerk is going to be with me my whole life. "Superior World Citizen" is not a moniker that belongs to Putin, but it certainly did belong to Khrushchev. I know that, especially for a Democrat, criticizing his holiness John F. Kennedy is political blasphemy in the extreme, but I'll always be grateful (as should every living person on the globe) that when it came to nuclear weaponry, Khrushchev demonstrated vastly superior, infinitely more sane leadership. I wonder, had he not been martyred, would more Americans see JFK as the rabid anti-Communist (dare I say Bircher?) that he was and scorn the Bay of Pigs and the missile fiascos? It has always bugged me that we treat JFK as some kind of legendary hero who "kept missiles out of Cuba!!!11ONE" when he was just YAN neocon from the Worthless Thumb willing to blow the entire world up to maintain military superiority and first strike capability against the CCCP with no fear of any retaliatory capability. The ridiculousness of the fabled "missile gap" that was bandied about by him and Tricky Dick during the campaign is laughable now, but that's the MIC propaganda both were spewing at the time and a lot of people believed it. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.

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