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New Re: "Untethered from reality"?
Further, NEITHER of you have answered my question. Does it not trouble you that Hillary will not allow the American People to know what she said to the bankster class behind closed doors?


I'm not troubled by what a famous private person said at an investor conference. Why should she give away something that people were willing to pay $200k to hear?

Business Insider (quoting a NR article):

Last Thursday, Clinton spoke for the AIMS Alternative Investment Conference hosted by Goldman Sachs, a closed event exclusively for Goldman clients. AIMS is an annual conference that explores the latest strategies and products available to financial advisers. At the event, Clinton offered what one attendee described to me as “prepared remarks followed by questions.”

On Tuesday, Clinton spoke at the Builders and Innovators Summit, devoted to discussing entrepreneurship and how to help innovators expand and grow their businesses. According to Politico, Clinton conducted a question-and-answer session with Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein. Goldman Sachs declined to comment on the subject of her remarks or why Mrs. Clinton in particular was invited to the events.


OMG, she's clearly hiding something!!11 This shows she clearly promised the Wall Street Banksters all kinds of favors, in 2013, when she wasn't in office, when she hadn't announced she was running for anything, etc., etc.

But no, it means that G-S has bought Hillary.

(roll-eyes)

There's several conferences out there called AIMS, and several called Alternative Investment Conference, but I haven't found any links for this G-S meeting. It's interesting that the original report always goes back to that NR story...

You know that the minute she releases any transcript, and nothing is found (because you know nothing will be found), the howler monkeys will just start screaming that the transcripts aren't authentic, that she really made the promises after the speeches, etc., etc.

"The only way to win is not to play." is the lesson when it comes to these unreasonable demands made of her.

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New she got $275k per speech just because? She wasn't running for anything? cmon Man :-)
If they thought for sure she wasn't going to run for anything, they would have had her pay to show up at the meeting.
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
New I thought it was $20B per speech.
It's like the number of undocumented workers in the US - the number goes up every time it's cited.

;-)

The NYTimes said that she got around $200k a speech, just like Geithner and similar former cabinet members were getting.

G-S wanted to impress their clients at a conference, so they were willing to pay HRC a bunch of money to have her speak at their event. That's the way conferences work.

She had a lot of direct knowledge of what was happening in the world (she traveled more than any previous SoS). Investors looking for "alternative investments" would find her thoughts on the subject valuable. G-S would get the benefit of having more clients interested in "alternative investments".

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New that is what GS gets after she is elected
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
New Unreasonable demands?
So, you agree with the Citizens United definition of corruption because only an outright quid pro quo proves corruption? Her appearance with Blankfein and subsequent silence on what was spoken is suspect at best, plainly suggestive of corruption (for values of "corrupt" different from the Citizen's United decision) at worst.

Did those "talks" involve any collusion between Hillary and G-S? Since when is it "unreasonable" for the public to review any and all documentation related to such meetings which could be evidence of collusion between the peeple's candidate and the powerful, monied interests that destroyed so many American (and foreign) families?

If there's no there, there, then why not release the transcripts? You can't seriously believe "she didn't know she was going to run for President" in 2013, can you? And if she had the remotest inkling that she might, how astute of her was it to have closed door meetings with the folks who completely trashed the economy through unscrupulous behavior and instead of suffering any consequences, became even larger and more powerful as a result of their crimes? Moreover, if the monied bankster class thought there was zero chance she'd run for president, do you actually think they'd want to hear her and influence her in whatever way they did during those secret meetings?

No, sorry. I cannot "know nothing will be found" until I am able to read those transcripts. I'm not a dutiful Hillbot believing whatever "truth du jour" is being propagated by the Clinton campaign.
New She . was . a . private . citizen . at . the . time.
Sheesh, man, chill out.

The woman has a 8 year record as Senator. She has a 4 year record as Secretary of State.

She's released decades of her personal tax returns.

She's been in the national public eye since 1992. She's the most closely examined candidate for president in history. What could possibly be in her speech to an investment conference, or the Long Island Association, or the Gap Inc., or the National Association of Convenience Stores, or Let's Talk Entertainment, or the US Green Building Council that would be so important as to illuminate her character or whatever compared to what else is already out there? Do you really think that after all she's been through she wasn't extremely careful about what she said in those speeches?

This speeches stuff is yet another smear campaign orchestrated by Judicial Watch and their comrades.

Get a grip.

:-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Dude, I don't care about her speeches to workers.
You know, people who actually create or market tangible products. It's the people who nearly destroyed the world's economy who are willing to pay her 200,000+ per hour to, er, cough, cough, wheez, hear her talk that I'm concerned about. You're right. She does have a record. She is on record for approving the repeal of Glass Stegall (which I will always believe was Bill Clinton's way of saying, "You impeach me? Okay, I'm going to screw the entire world!"). She is on record as opposing reinstatement of Glass Stegall, which is the ONLY thing that protects us from Wall Street greed. She's just too damned cozy with them and if she can't share with us what she said to them, well, for me, there's a trust barrier there about the size of the Grand Canyon that I will never be able to traverse. That by itself is enough for me. Throw in War Hawkishness that makes everyone but, perhaps, Dick Cheney blush, the "Gold Standard" of the TPP, the pro-fracking, the Iraq War vote, and on and on and it really is too much for a lifelong Democrat, let alone a quasi-Marxist. ;0)
New Glass Steagal didn't apply to AIG, CountryWide, Lehman, etc.
She is on record as opposing reinstatement of Glass Stegall, which is the ONLY thing that protects us from Wall Street greed.


Mighty broad brush you've got there.

Mark Thoma:

Did repeal cause the crisis? On this point, Hillary Clinton is correct: The evidence points elsewhere. For the most part, the main problems during that crisis didn't involve banks that offered both commercial and investment services. Instead, the problems were primarily at traditional investment banks. Had Glass-Steagall remained in place, the financial crisis would almost surely have happened anyway.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Good $DEITY. Now we're down to old Clinton Campaign nonsense.
One of the most revealing exchanges in the Clinton-Sanders tilt involved the question of Wall Street corruption. Sanders has always been a passionate crusader against Wall Street perfidy, but Hillary's take on the subject was fascinating.
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Backing up: When Bill Clinton took office, it was still illegal in the United States for commercial banks to merge with investment banks and insurance companies. But toward the end of Clinton's second term, he signed a bill called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that essentially created Too Big to Fail "supermarket" banks like Citigroup.

This isn't the only reason the financial system is so dangerous now. There's also the matter of the extreme interconnectedness of the financial services industry. This problem came violently into play in 2008, when the failure of a single idiot investment bank, Lehman Brothers, caused a chain reaction that nearly blew up the whole financial system.

This latter problem was partially a consequence of another Clinton-era law, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which deregulated derivatives like swaps that were the agent of many of those chain-reaction losses.

So Cooper's question to Hillary Clinton was really about a financial system that became dangerously over-concentrated thanks to multiple laws passed during her husband's administration. Her answer:

"Well, my plan is more comprehensive. And, frankly, it's tougher because of course we have to deal with the problem that the banks are still too big to fail. We can never let the American taxpayer and middle-class families ever have to bail out the kind of speculative behavior that we saw. But we also have to worry about some of the other players: AIG, a big insurance company; Lehman Brothers, an investment bank. There's this whole area called 'shadow banking.' That's where the experts tell me the next potential problem could come from."

A few observations:

First, it's definitive now that Hillary has no intention of reinstating Glass-Steagall. Cooper gave her a prime opportunity Tuesday night to announce otherwise, stories have filtered out of her campaign that she has no plans along those lines, and she's explicitly stated that she wants to find a "different way" to reduce risk.

The second and probably more important observation is about Hillary's rhetorical choices.

Hillary, like her close advisor Barney Frank, has been pushing an idea that banks aren't at the root of any financial instability problem. Last night, she pointed a finger instead at "shadow banking," non-bank actors like AIG, and a dead investment bank in Lehman Brothers. (Interesting she didn't mention a still-viable investment bank like Goldman, Sachs, which has hosted her expensive speaking engagements.)

This squeamishness about criticizing banks is laughable to people in the industry. But of course, that's probably the point – that the average voter won't know how absurd and desperate it is to point to faceless "shadow" financiers as villains when the real bad guys are famed mega-firms that are right out in the open, with their names plastered all over every second city block.

Companies like AIG and Lehman Brothers did, of course, shoulder blame for what took place in 2008. But there is no way to untangle what those non-bank actors did without also talking about the banks. This stuff is all connected, and it's not really that hard.
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The root of the 2008 crisis lay in a broad criminal fraud scheme, in which huge masses of home loans were given to people who couldn't afford them. Those loans in turn were bought back up by giant banks and resold to investors who weren't told how crappy the merchandise was.

AIG blew up because it insured this fraudulent market. Lehman blew up because it overinvested in it. But it was banks that financed the problem and that were possibly the most depraved actors in the narrative (apart, perhaps, from the Countrywide-style mortgage lenders who were handing loans out to anyone with a pulse).

We know this, among other things, because it was big banks like JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup that paid the biggest chunks of the $100 billion in fines Hillary later referenced in the debate. There is a vast record of documentary and witness evidence now attesting to the mass fraud, which was of a type that can and probably will happen again. The policy issue is how to curb the impact of that inevitable next crooked scheme.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clintons-take-on-banks-wont-hold-up-20151014
     One for MM: Drum - Why I never warmed to Bernie - (Another Scott) - (39)
         Substitute Sanders for McMurphy - (dmcarls) - (2)
             Who's Chief Bromden? Hillary? ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 I have met the late Will Sampson, Hillary is no chief, although she could play for charleston -NT - (boxley)
         Should be titled, "Establishment Asshat Doesn't Like to be Reminded of Democratic Principles" - (mmoffitt) - (34)
             "Shills"? - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 Good $DEITY. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                     That's one way to answer the question. -NT - (pwhysall)
             How often do people bother to change their party registration? - (Another Scott) - (30)
                 Heh. I lost the only bet I ever made on an election. - (mmoffitt) - (29)
                     Yet you're convinced they agree with you about Hillary vs Donnie? >:-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (28)
                         I don't think they agree with me. - (mmoffitt) - (27)
                             Eh? - (Another Scott) - (24)
                                 Not much difference that I can see. - (mmoffitt) - (23)
                                     Oh well. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                         How many Independents are there today? How many closed primaries? - (mmoffitt)
                                         And Bernie did get Hillary to adopt a lot of his policies. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                             vote for bernie, that race is in a statistical dead heat, the greasy rat wont win -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                 Thanks, will do. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                     Your predictions are duly noted - (rcareaga) - (17)
                                         Two things. - (mmoffitt) - (16)
                                             "Should be" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                 my brother in law worked will hillary back in the day on the original plan - (boxley) - (2)
                                                     People are afraid of change, especially when politicians ramp up irrational fears. - (Another Scott)
                                                     Yep, she's evolved. - (mmoffitt)
                                             No deal - (rcareaga) - (11)
                                                 "Untethered from reality"? - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                                                     Reality and its tethers - (rcareaga)
                                                     Re: "Untethered from reality"? - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                                         she got $275k per speech just because? She wasn't running for anything? cmon Man :-) - (boxley) - (2)
                                                             I thought it was $20B per speech. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                 that is what GS gets after she is elected -NT - (boxley)
                                                         Unreasonable demands? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                             She . was . a . private . citizen . at . the . time. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                 Dude, I don't care about her speeches to workers. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     Glass Steagal didn't apply to AIG, CountryWide, Lehman, etc. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                         Good $DEITY. Now we're down to old Clinton Campaign nonsense. - (mmoffitt)
                             Wait a minute here . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                 At first I thought he would bring a revolution. - (mmoffitt)
         this is clinton's america, special interest buy you! -NT - (boxley)

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