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New One for MM - SmartyPants: Vermont gives up on Single Payer.
They apparently can't figure out how to pay for it...

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/12/vermont-gives-up-on-single-payer.html

Cheers,
Scott.
New Can't be done by individual states. It has to be national. For a variety of reasons. YOU KNOW THAT.
New Yet Canada started province by province. Hmm... ;-)
New Clue: Canada != USA.
Moreover, we ALREADY HAVE A NATIONAL SINGLE PAYER PLAN THAT WORKS AND COVERS ABOUT HALF OF ALL CURRENT MEDICAL EXPENSES. It just doesn't "kick in" until age 65.

HTH.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Dec. 18, 2014, 09:52:05 AM EST
New And while we're on the topic...
According to a Harris Poll of all industrial nations, Americans are the least satisfied with their health care.

An economic overview of America's system is: 42 million people are not covered, the various health care plans place rigid limitations on which doctors and hospitals people can use, cost-saving measures are forcing patients out of hospital beds prematurely, administrative costs are approaching 25% of the health care dollar, managed care is generally structured such that physicians have incentives to cut costs and gain revenue by withholding care, and many Americans live in fear of losing whatever care they have.

Our current system is based on the power of the insurance industry to stifle any challenges from alternatives. They advocate a competitive environment where they set the rules. These rules give us health care at a very high cost with unusually high profits going to the health care industry and massive salaries going to the associated executives.

In contrast, the single payer system that Canada has used for the last 25 years has drastically simplified their administration costs. For instance, it takes more people to administer Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts that it does to administer the entire health care system of Canada. Before Canada implemented their national health program, their health costs were the same portion of their economy as in the U.S. After they implemented their program, their costs stabilized at 9% while U.S. costs have increased to 14%. They spend one tenth of what U.S. health care providers spend on overhead.

...

FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting) reported after studying the 1994 California ballot issue that there were no articles in the media during the entire pre-election period that pointed out that other countries have single payer systems or what their experience has been. Americans might be interested to know that Canadians live longer, have lower maternal mortality rates, and lower infant mortality. Before single payer was implemented in Canada, infant mortality was similar to that in the U.S.; today there are 9.1 deaths in the first year of life per 1000 births in the U.S. and 6.8 in Canada. In addition, they have more hospital admissions, more hospital days, more physician visits, more immunizations, and more surgical procedures per person than we have in the U.S.


http://bcn.boulder.co.us/health/healthwatch/canada.html

But, hey, private health insurance is better because Obama and profit, right? :-/
New Re: And while we're on the topic...
#360961.

Round and round we go... ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Heh!
From that thread (I know, bad form quoting yourself, but still :0)
Obama's policies have turned us into a nation debating whether we should be as liberal as Nixon or as conservative as Armey or Bachmann.
New since I manage my own plan here is the problem
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/health/the-odd-math-of-medical-tests-one-echocardiogram-two-prices-both-high.html
Before doing anything I negotiate up front. Trying to do that for everyone in Vermont would be hard. They could match medicare payments but that may cause providers to not accept patients.
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
New And *THAT* is why one state cannot implement Single Payer here.
Providers would be hard pressed to "not accept patients" if there was only one payer in the system.
New 11.5%?
That is less than we currently pay in premiums alone (11.8%). If we dare go beyond the annual physical, it can go up to 20%.

Sad thing is that the whole operation got derailed by what should have been a sideshow, namely the sign-up process. Vermont used the same asshats which developed the federal website and got the same results. Unfortunately, they had also concentrated all marketing efforts on the technological aspects and when the site fell over, the failure got projected on the entire single payer concept.
     One for MM - SmartyPants: Vermont gives up on Single Payer. - (Another Scott) - (9)
         Can't be done by individual states. It has to be national. For a variety of reasons. YOU KNOW THAT. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
             Yet Canada started province by province. Hmm... ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 Clue: Canada != USA. - (mmoffitt)
         And while we're on the topic... - (mmoffitt) - (2)
             Re: And while we're on the topic... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 Heh! - (mmoffitt)
         since I manage my own plan here is the problem - (boxley) - (1)
             And *THAT* is why one state cannot implement Single Payer here. - (mmoffitt)
         11.5%? - (scoenye)

Specifically, they will not save the ship and crew, they will not win a stack of quatloos, and they will especially not get to sleep
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