Re: My recollection may well be flawed.. but,

Post #393,915 by malraux 8/30/14 9:22:48 PM Reply	Re: My recollection may well be flawed.. but, Moen was an unmitigated trolling jackass with a talent for deliberately misrepresenting someone's position just enough to get things inflamed, particularly if he thought he was smarter than thou (which as far as he was concerned pretty much included everyone). He was extra practiced at the "disgustingly personal insult oh no you misinterpreted me I wasn't calling you stupid, just your actions" schtick. Smarter than the average bear the man may be, but life's too short for putting up with that kind of intentional asshattery. Karsten was a much better sort, but with the same immense ego (not as common in our field as you may expect); opinion borne out by a shared brew and conversation when he drove through my neck of the woods once. This attitude amongst the Technocrati is much more common on your side of town than here, in my observation. And as I said Back Then, there was more to the story than the public edition. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #393,919 by Ashton 8/30/14 11:48:32 PM Reply	Correction: some recollections flawed. Yes I recall the fact of yours (and Peter's) direct clarifications via a bit of the unpublishable; agree that KMS may have exited disgruntled--but was not unfairly treated. As to RM, I see that my failure-to-grok matters may derive from my sense at the time: that the apparent-nastiness in ripostes (especially the ad-hominems) were not meant seriously; just games seemingly played ..within an arcane field? Mea culpa. His commentary meant seriously: of course your summary nullifies that misconception. Not much incentive to look him up, see if a leopard changed spots? got other chores. As to the Technocrati.. it seems that most now in bizness (or with home gadgetry) are forced to absorb much that they once thought they could evade. Even the MBAs. Unclear which side of this polygonal-town I inhabit, if premeditated nastiness is involved.. If I am missing the cream of the jest please inform if this locale is on the wrong side of the tracks or near the windowless Ivory Tower. FWIW, even generalizations like 'I.T.' I find worrisome, especially any presumptions that daily dedication to bit-matters? connotes any limitation of other abilities. Just a matter of degree of immersion, maybe. (From my POV, too: neither physics, math nor 'Science' attain anything like that faith-thing, insofar as certain topics are larger than those tools; just-as the 'social sciences' are smaller, and helpful only on statistical kinds of simple questions.) Someone certain of anything, probably needs to find some Alt-Gnostic collection of the like-minded. Honest argument there, isn't.
Post #393,932 by malraux 8/31/14 11:31:05 AM Reply	Your side of town == the Bay area I'm surprised San Fran doesn't sink into the ocean under the weight of all the ego in that town. I work with a guy originally from Michigan who spent a few years in Y-combinator out in SF. He confirms the nastiness of the attitudes out there and is glad to be back in Rational Land. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #393,952 by Ashton 8/31/14 6:18:06 PM Reply	Guilty-as-charged, Your Honor In penitence, all of the Greater-Bay-Area shall work towards the dismantling of the area formerly known as Silly Valley. Each Ego-Monument of silver-windowed Building-excess shall be deconstructed, the rubble dispersed (for enhancements to the cave-mouths of the new dwellings of the Many already dispossessed.) (We need not Salt-the-earth there, as well: the many tonnes of toxic chemical substances from The Fabs has salted it far beyond our poor powere to Salt-things.) Already we Crowd-fund a Neue University, through which the former Kapitans of Industry shall pass, that their citizenship may be restored. They shall read/be-Tested upon Baudelaire, Verlaine, Billy Collins, and similar sources of emotional maturity--else their pure Unobtainium VISA cards shall not be reactivated. There shall again be: Orchards as once there were, despite the Periodic-Chart-pestilence perpetrated by pewling popinjays. Will this suffice?
Post #393,953 by drook 8/31/14 6:20:49 PM Reply	Sounds good, get on that -- Drew
Post #393,955 by malraux 8/31/14 6:30:07 PM Reply	Re: Guilty-as-charged, Your Honor Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #393,961 by Another Scott 8/31/14 7:17:00 PM Reply	rofl.
Post #393,924 by pwhysall 8/31/14 6:04:25 AM Reply	It's an interesting case study in nerdy wankery RM was far, far more interested in being right than what was best for the group. I absolutely do not miss him; he contributed nothing of lasting worth to this collective, notwithstanding his undoubted technical chops. He treated this place as another venue for him to demonstrate his rhetorical and debating mastery, and honestly, when you're amongst people with whom you're supposed to be friends, who gives a fuck about that? Who needs the kind of dreary shithead who says things like "I think you'll find it's correctly referred to as 'GNU slash Linux', actually" when all we're trying to do is troubleshoot someone's mail server? Not us, that's for sure. KMS, OTOH, had his idiosyncrasies (eh, don't we all?) but was, on balance, a decent chap with interesting things to say, and who had a well-earned emotional investment here. We're poorer without him. I honestly think that if RM hadn't been around, KMS still would be.
Post #393,927 by static 8/31/14 8:02:44 AM Reply	I think you might be right. KS looked up to RM. He change subtly when RM deigned to grace us with his presence. And took exception to the fact that in essence we wouldn't worship RM. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #393,933 by malraux 8/31/14 11:36:49 AM Reply	Re: It's an interesting case study in nerdy wankery Agreed on all points. RM was not a beneficial friend to KMS for sure. I'd forgotten about all the GNU/Linux crap. Bleargh. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.

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