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New We have a saying in Sweden: "Goddag, yxskaft".
That means "Hello, ax-handles".

IOW: WTF does that have to do with anything?
   Christian R. Conrad
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New in reference to astrology and your comments about blather
Just pointed out that astrologers, soothesayers and so on preform the same functions as a physcologist with about the same success ratio.
thanks,
Bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
New That's closer to my view of it..
Personally, I have no interest in 'horoscopes' nor any daily involvement with the discipline? / art? / science? / scam (so often - today).

But as to its being snake oil: then it has lots of company - like Pop psych (often taught as a University course). The dogma of the various 'Schools' of psych are correlative to religions: Reichians have their version, as do Maslow- ... et al. None is science, though efforts are made to employ statistics - these efforts often fall short, and always 'prove' little.

Other company: allopathic medicine, promoted (at least in the US) as the 'Christianity' of body care ie. The One True Method. Won't wast time listing alternatives (nor attempting to suggest when/where an alternative might produce better results). Then too, as with all Professions - wherein people profess To Know: clearly it is caveat emptor from the get-go, whichever method one opts to try. 'Faith' appears to be the largest ingredient in medicine or choices of a psychologist - it sure as hell ain't Science, and you can forget appending exact for all obvious reasons. MDs I have dealt with (re research involving radiation of tumors, etc) have been uniformly weak in science, and characteristically uncurious about their rote assumptions. Add arrogance (esp. in a young pup) and stir.

Anyway (I repeat) - I'd never 'recommend' that someone visit an Astrologer, though if that particular one were still alive - I might, if asked for some recommendation regarding psych. Ditto an MD, though I have in the past met a few who maintained open minds, tested their own treatment policies and did Not treat the PDR - as a medical Bible, and pharm-chem as the panacea.

It's a crap shoot out there. I suppose I mistrust Certainty.. more than most other nameable homo-sap afflictions. It's so like the Pope's Infallibility [in "faith and morals" - a rubric that can be spread as far as a rubber yardstick]. Near-Certainty on say, the physics of motion - I'll go with. Re homo-sap: nada, nil, Zippo. We don't know Shit about even our bodies, let alone mind and especially emotion. And about the interactions of these three concepts -?- Hah!

Perhaps my sample of One 'Good Astrologer' (actually two, but unimportant) is an aberration - and his was (merely) a quite superior intuition. Yet he did his calculations before suggesting anything, and was notably addicted to eschewing normal daily homo-say lying. So no - I am not Certain about Bennett, either. But if his use of Astrology as a model was essential to the accuracy of his work: let there be More Astrologers like him!




Ashton
Founding Member and CIEIO, The Certainty Police
New Heh, that's cool!
Reminds me of "Roger Irrelevant - he's completely hatstand." from Viz magazine.
On and on and on and on,
and on and on and on goes John.
New The lobsters are coming!


Peter
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[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
New Ah - replied in Other Plaice.
New Just so long as your ship doesn't flounder
     Survey finds few in U.S. understand science - (drewk) - (25)
         There are lies, damned lies... - (inthane-chan)
         Horoscopes - (kmself) - (4)
             Read the right horoscopes. - (Brandioch)
             I've sometims had great fun... - (Meerkat) - (2)
                 Class experiment - (kmself) - (1)
                     Heh.. toy 'astrology' that - - (Ashton)
         'Astrology' chestnut____ again ?! - (Ashton) - (14)
             Mental crutches - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                 Perspicuity, then. - (Ashton)
             As long as the idiocy exists... it'll remain idiotic. - (CRConrad) - (11)
                 That reminds me of something amusing - (ben_tilly)
                 Your faith is in 'quantifiable' knowledge, apparently - (Ashton) - (1)
                     Astrology is bollocks. - (pwhysall)
                 Astrology=psychology, tools are different - (boxley) - (7)
                     We have a saying in Sweden: "Goddag, yxskaft". - (CRConrad) - (6)
                         in reference to astrology and your comments about blather - (boxley) - (1)
                             That's closer to my view of it.. - (Ashton)
                         Heh, that's cool! - (Meerkat) - (3)
                             The lobsters are coming! -NT - (pwhysall)
                             Ah - replied in Other Plaice. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                 Just so long as your ship doesn't flounder -NT - (Ashton)
         Demon Haunted World - (orion) - (3)
             And perhaps not. - (Ashton) - (2)
                 Hmm... Does the name "GT 40" mean anything to you? :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                     Umm.. Yes - but t'wasn't for The Masses - (Ashton)

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