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New eh? you wreck your car without insurance and we pay for it?
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New Not the same.
They let the house burn for want of a fixed $75 fee, not a payout of unspecified size.

Petty minded, officious cunts.

It's people like that who often benefit enormously from a vigorous kick in the bollocks.
New And what about the neighbors?
Fire fighting is a public good as well as an individual service.

If I'm paid up and my house burns down because they let my neighbor's house burn, the Randroids will be hearing from me, and my politeness will be sub-optimal.

Personal responsibility is good for some things, not for others.

Perhaps a story is in order. A true one, as it happens. It isn't a direct analogy, but it illustrates how Personal Responsibility on the part of the masses may not be the answer.

I used to work for an otherwise excellent company. It was a tiny, prized gem belonging to a megacorp, and a couple of times a year the big-shots would come around and talk to us. There would be a big off-site meeting, mandatory for everybody. There were never enough chairs. The big-shots didn't like people standing for the meeting. So we would all be warned to show up early so as not to be one of those standing in the back. After several of these meetings, me and my close colleagues were showing up (with the blessing of our managers) two or more hours ahead of time just to hold our seats. My manager was happy that my colleagues and I were taking personal responsibility and not being the problem. It was a huge expense - my colleagues and I were on the clock, and our time was not cheap. Yet there were still people standing. The big-shots were still pissed off. And the person responsible for renting the room (who once gave me a copy of Atlas Shrugged - I am NOT making this up) kept talking about Personal Responsibility. She never did seem to get it that if you rent fewer chairs than there are people, it doesn't matter how early people show up, there will be people standing.
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New Plenty of jurisdictions around here charge for ambulances.
E.g. http://www.fairfaxva...urancebilling.asp

South Fulton could do the same thing for county residents who need their fire service - charge a $75 (or whatever) fee.

After they put the fire out.

This stuff isn't hard. Some right-wing idiots in local governments apparently decided that they want to let ideology get in the way of being sensible in solving a problem.

Cheers,
Scott.
New oh, you mean like watching a kid drown because
of workplace rules? Right wing idiots indeed
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New Peter knows exactly what I mean
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New Re: Peter knows exactly what I mean
That was completely different, too.

Two PCSOs (police community support officers) didn't go into a pond where someone said a child had gone in. So: untrained in water operations, no direct knowledge of child in water, unfamiliar body of water. They called the experts.

And the police divers turned up, retrieved the body, and said that they'd done the right thing, because if anyone had gone in after said child, it would simply have added to the number of bodies the divers pulled out of the water.

But the UK tabloid press, torrent of misinformed shit that it is, had a field day with it.
New No... it wasn't completely different...
In Boxley's eyes.

He read it and will *still* remember it the way he is already.
New No, I don't mean that. What made you think so?
     Public safety? What's that? - (Another Scott) - (21)
         eh? you wreck your car without insurance and we pay for it? -NT - (boxley) - (9)
             Not the same. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 And what about the neighbors? - (mhuber)
             Plenty of jurisdictions around here charge for ambulances. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                 oh, you mean like watching a kid drown because - (boxley) - (5)
                     ? -NT - (drook) - (3)
                         Peter knows exactly what I mean -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                             Re: Peter knows exactly what I mean - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 No... it wasn't completely different... - (folkert)
                     No, I don't mean that. What made you think so? -NT - (Another Scott)
         That's a very Ankh-Morpork type situation. -NT - (static)
         Actually I might be the only person to disagree - (S1mon_Jester) - (3)
             you're not - (SpiceWare)
             On the other hand... - (Another Scott)
             put the fire out - (Steve Lowe)
         more info - (SpiceWare) - (5)
             Re: more info - (pwhysall) - (4)
                 Maybe not to you - (crazy) - (2)
                     Re: Maybe not to you - (pwhysall) - (1)
                         No - (crazy)
                 Pretty much agreed. - (Another Scott)

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