Where's all the faux outrage now?

Post #347,422 by beepster 9/6/11 10:36:07 PM Reply	Where's all the faux outrage now? http://www.realclear...sident_hoffa.html After demanding apologies from Mccain for both Cunningham and forcing the distancing and statement on Hagee... and after all the talk of inflammatory speech in the wake of Tucson... This is the best the press sec can come up with? holy cow. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,427 by rcareaga 9/7/11 12:51:08 AM Reply	and what were those comments? ...in context, please, you highly gullible and/or disingenuous thing, you.
Post #347,428 by beepster 9/7/11 7:18:12 AM Reply	Hoffa's? there's an overriding context concern, Rand? Really? Please share. This should be interesting. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,436 by rcareaga 9/7/11 10:15:35 AM Reply	Yup, context does matter ...although this might elude the simple-minded or obstinately disingenuous. Here's how "RealClearPolitics" (ha!) reported the speech: ÂWe got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? TheyÂve got a war, they got a war with us and thereÂs only going to be one winner. ItÂs going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. WeÂre going to win that war,Â Jimmy Hoffa Jr. said to a heavily union crowd. ÂPresident Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. LetÂs take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,Â Hoffa added. So much punchier, so much more believable to the credulous ninnies comprising RCP's audience as a call to violent insurrection, than the full quote: We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? TheyÂve got a war, they got a war with us and thereÂs only going to be one winner. ItÂs going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. WeÂre going to win that war. President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. AndPresident Obama, we want one thing: jobs, jobs, jobsÂ ThatÂs what weÂre going to tell him. HeÂs gonna be Â and when he sees what weÂre doing here, he will be inspired. But he needs help. And you know what? Everybody hereÂs got to vote. If we go back, and we keep the eye on the prize, letÂs take these son of a bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong. You're welcome, sucker. http://nomoremister....t-to-say-was.html http://littlegreenfo...sters_Pres._Hoffa cordially,
Post #347,440 by beepster 9/7/11 10:22:53 AM Reply	You don't know the Teamsters violent speech from a org with a violent history. easily dismissed now because they cut a sentence out? Where was this "context" discussion after Az..where single sentences were pulled to say "see, they're violent"... It wasn't there. So enjoy yourself here. Continue to rationalize your position all you want. "fox news did this"...yep...convenient org to blame for an inconsistent position. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,445 by rcareaga 9/7/11 10:31:46 AM Reply	I was a member once, back in the day. And you?
Post #347,446 by beepster 9/7/11 10:32:52 AM 9/7/11 10:38:48 AM Reply	oh never mind just blame it on warren buffet. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are. Edited by beepster Sept. 7, 2011, 10:38:48 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #347,435 by jay 9/7/11 9:42:35 AM Reply	There isn't any reason for outrage Hoffa said something about voting the Tea party republicans out of power. Fox News cut the context and mangled the quote, making it sound like a call for violence against the Tea party people. The whole thing is manufactured. Jay
Post #347,437 by beepster 9/7/11 10:17:56 AM Reply	Interesting "Obama, here is your army...He will be inspired but he needs your help...keep the eye on the prize, let's take these sons-o-bitches out". From the President of the Teamsters. You can't cut that any differently. He's not the President of grandma's bridge club. What more context do you need...an org with a long history of violence using wartime analogies and closing with a rousing "take-em out" NOT VOTE THEM OUT...take them out. And the complete dismissal by press sec...after Obama's camp demanded apologies during the campaign and talked about "civil" discourse being paramount following Tucson. Trying to blame fox news for this will not work. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,439 by rcareaga 9/7/11 10:22:23 AM Reply	"You can't cut that any differently." Oh really? Then why do you suppose the remarks were edited to remove the exhortation to vote?
Post #347,450 by beepster 9/7/11 11:09:09 AM Reply	On that... Speaking of change, my favorite part of the Hoffa story is the leftÂs defense that he was talking specifically about voting when he called for taking those tea-party Âsons of bitchesÂ out. ThatÂs super, but the whole point of the Ânew toneÂ demagoguery after Tucson was that intent doesnÂt matter. Go re-read PalinÂs Facebook post from March 2010 showcasing the crosshairs map that the media would make famous 10 months later. Sample quote: ÂThis is just the first salvo in a fight to elect people across the nation who will bring common sense to Washington.Â Elections. Voting. And yet it didnÂt matter to our liberal betters after Giffords was shot; the argument then was that the political ÂclimateÂ in America had become so heated that it was irresponsible to use violent rhetoric or imagery even in service to a perfectly pedestrian nonviolent call for voter turnout. Remember? http://www.freerepub...ers/2774468/posts Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,451 by jay 9/7/11 11:10:39 AM Reply	You should know better then that Your repeating a quote with not one but two sets of ellipses in it. Multiple sentences from a speech cut down to make it look one like violent phrase. Hoffa was giving a get out the speech vote, so the bits about an army and inspiring people are to be expected. Saying "take out" rather then "vote out" is a bit unfortunate, but it's perfectly clear what he meant from the context. Only by cutting out the "Everybody has a vote" part can any outrage be manufactured here. Jay
Post #347,463 by beepster 9/7/11 3:58:45 PM Reply	covered in a different post Palin was not given the same consideration wrt to the "target" picture. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,464 by jay 9/7/11 4:49:40 PM Reply	She only got hammered because of the unfortunate connection Palin uses (or at least used to use) a lot of gun imagery in her speech. It wasn't just the crosshairs, one of her oft repeated phrases when faced by adversity is "Don't retreat, reload." Honestly though, She took more flack then she deserved for what was really a minor thing, it was just an horribly unfortunate accident that one of the people she had in the crosshairs was actually shot. Neither was in the range of the right wing loons who are saying that Obama is neither an American nor a valid president, making gun gestures with their hands and saying somebody should "take out" Obama. When they try to claim they are talking about voting it's simply a farcical cover for inciting violence. Jay
Post #347,469 by beepster 9/7/11 6:27:44 PM Reply	Continued rationalization somehow, this time, its different. regardless of the fact that its the Teamsters, with a proven history of connections to violence and organized crime. yep. sure. I'm buying it. That covers Palin..now what about the McCain angle..with the demanded apology, even though he hadn't arrived yet..for Cunningham using his middle name? Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,497 by jay 9/8/11 7:45:14 AM Reply	Cunningham's speech was a string of insults Cunningham's speech was a string of insults directed at Obama. The ones that brought up his connections to questionable people in Chicago where fair game, the mess of personal insults and covert racism not so much. McCain didn't even wait for anybody to object, he rejected the speech on his own before anybody asked him. And yes, this is different. Should he have said it? No. Is it big enough or important enough or offensive enough to get worked up over? No. Palin's problem was overblown, this one is manufactured out of thin air. The whole thing hinges on miss quoting him to make "take out" sound like a threat when he was clearly talking about voting. Jay
Post #347,499 by beepster 9/8/11 8:29:20 AM Reply	So now way after, the Palin thing was overblown..and that makes this one better...on exactly the same issue. Someone please tell the folks blaming fox news for making it up that they should be apologizing to Palin and Rush now. Otherwise, point stands. Man speaking for org with violent history makes violent, war imagery laced speech and since he's a dem, he gets a pass. News at 11. Had the same thing happened at a TP rally...we'd be listening to it again for a month. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,528 by jay 9/8/11 2:28:49 PM Reply	Rush deserves it in full Rush deserves it in full. Here is a typical quote that is carefully designed to be just short of advocating violence. "The Texans are very patient people, but the real Texans are not the people in that ditch down there. REAL TEXANS are PUTTING ON THEIR CAMOUFLAGE GEAR and getting ready to go out there and GO HUNTING. you know, hunting season is coming up. At some point REAL TEXANS ARE GOING TO GET FED UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE and it's going to be REAL FUN TO WATCH, IF YOU GET MY DRIFT, ...a-hem..." The context for this was Rush talking about Camp Casey, the semi-permanent base for the picketers outside Bush Jr's residence in Texas. He is perfectly clear he isn't talking about counter protests here or something like that. It is however carefully phrased so that he isn't exactly calling for violence. This is the sort of rhetoric that people should find offensive. Jay
Post #347,535 by beepster 9/8/11 3:51:17 PM Reply	Ah.. but a guy (named, by chance, Jimmy Hoffa) saying "take em out"..even couched with the prior sentence of vote...is squeaky clean. Ok. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,542 by jay 9/8/11 6:34:04 PM Reply	Stop trying to make all offenses equivalent Stop trying to make all offenses equivalent, they are not. Rush gave an entire paragraph that was a subtle encouragement to violence, Hoffa used a single word that could be construed as violent if you ignored the rest of what he said. As far as offenses go, they are orders of magnitude apart. Hoffa's deserves a quick tsk-tsk at best, Rush's deserves widespread derision and mockery. Jay
Post #347,545 by Ashton 9/8/11 8:01:59 PM Reply	Precisely.
Post #347,549 by beepster 9/8/11 9:59:41 PM Reply	Fine will settle for retraction of every story regarding the target map of sarah palin. You can have rush. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,550 by Another Scott 9/8/11 10:03:58 PM Reply	BinaryBot is Binary. :-/
Post #347,551 by beepster 9/9/11 5:07:50 PM Reply	better be binary than 2 faced. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,553 by hnick 9/9/11 5:20:16 PM Reply	Re: better be binary than 2 faced. When you're (binary & biased), you only have one face. It sorta comes with the system...
Post #347,554 by beepster 9/9/11 5:33:22 PM Reply	much easier than spending alot of time trying to explain how something exactly the same is somehow different now. believe a couple of elections ago it was called the flip flop. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,556 by crazy 9/9/11 6:18:39 PM Reply	No It was called rationally processing new information to cause a change in direction, something sane thinking people appreciate.
Post #347,577 by beepster 9/10/11 10:50:40 AM Reply	only sane people inside the beltway and in the press. and I think all else have a different idea of sanity. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,565 by boxley 9/9/11 8:08:32 PM Reply	now beep you know the rule if its our guy its totally innocuous, if its your guy he needs to be arrested Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #347,578 by beepster 9/10/11 10:52:51 AM Reply	I know that rule, you know that rule everyone else here seems to not know that rule. s'ok. This is one of those times I was referencing a couple of years ago when I mentioned I was going to enjoy this immensely. Yep, now its different (even if it isn't). Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,587 by lincoln 9/10/11 2:14:52 PM Reply	So you finally admit that your guys are Republicans Bout frickin' time. What took you so long? "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #347,589 by boxley 9/10/11 2:19:07 PM Reply	my guys are the ones who point fingers and laugh at obama and the republicans as they are both fucking useless except to enrich their benefactors at our expense Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #347,661 by mmoffitt 9/12/11 9:16:39 AM Reply	Yep and the really sad thing is. Both of them have the same benefactors.
Post #347,597 by beepster 9/10/11 4:01:37 PM Reply	Did anyone reference republicans? I certainly didn't. I did say that the change in power was going to change all of your positions..which this latest episode has proven in spades. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,438 by boxley 9/7/11 10:22:17 AM Reply	its the teamsters, cement shoes and all Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #347,444 by beepster 9/7/11 10:29:51 AM Reply	baseball bats, bullets, icepicks... I'm sure the UPS driver they disagreed with and stabbed a few times thinks that "take em out" comment was just harmless election banter. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,475 by Another Scott 9/7/11 7:47:51 PM Reply	You're doing a pretty good job in cranking it up. But we expect that from Mr. Binary. I'm not playing this time. Sorry. Cheers, Scott.
Post #347,481 by boxley 9/7/11 8:33:23 PM Reply	yeah, what would his dad say huh Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #347,491 by beepster 9/7/11 9:57:50 PM Reply	sure I am you won't..even if you know what I say is true. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,523 by crazy 9/8/11 1:48:36 PM Reply	No it's not Fox gave you something to yell about. When those of us that care about clarity point out it is OBVIOUSLY a get out the vote speech that was mangled by Fox to explicitly rile people up (like you), you then go: Hey, they are a bunch of violent scum-bags (paraphrased of course), so it really means what fox mangled it to mean. Which Rand did not take kindly too. For good reason. And for now on I get to pick and choose every 3rd word you write and put them in your mouth. Same thing. C'mon Beep, you used to do so much better.
Post #347,527 by beepster 9/8/11 2:22:52 PM Reply	That's crap and you know it the entire posturing on Rush and Palin post Tucson was ALL THE SAME. Snippets pulled completely out of context (and the context, especially for Palin, was specifically get out to vote)..THE EXACT SAME SITUATION AND CONTEXT. So this is different exactly how? And for what "good reason" would that be. Are you denying the Teamsters have a violent history? There's a UPS driver just recently recovering from stab wounds at the hands of teamsters who though he shouldn't cross a line. And there are a very large amount of other examples of teamster violence...and proven ties to organized crime. Yes its a glorious history. good reason. riiight. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,537 by crazy 9/8/11 4:41:08 PM Reply	Hmm. Dunno about Palin snippets. Know why? I'm pretty sure nothing she writes (or has ghost written) is worth the time taken away from, hmm, oh, I dunno. Anything? So I won't be going for context there. No point. As far as the rest. History of violence? But they've done so much for their members. And society as a whole. Not that I excuse it, just it's pretty much the same story of the Catholic church, except the church has another level of pedophilia to damn it over. Yet even I see some of the societal benefits of it. So, do the holy wars define the church? The ass raping priests? Or the whole story? Note: I'm not a rabid union supporter. They are simply better than the alternative, ie: people treated worse than animals, interchangeable pegs in the most inhumane conditions, yadda yadda yadda. And no, it's not crap. By the way, you are usually a bit more reserved (in your mild smirky snarky way) in the subject line. I hit a nerve or something?
Post #347,539 by beepster 9/8/11 5:03:15 PM Reply	Continued If a representative of the church came out now talking about "cute boys"...how do you think that would be covered...under a veil of how much good they do for society? Doubt it very much. And dismissing Palin's treatment because you don't feel her worthy of your time doesn't change the fact that the press did..and all but accused her of the shooting itself...but in this case they seemed much more worried about dismissing because of context (which, by the way, was exactly the same). Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.

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