Ah. Good points. Sink or swim. It's tempting...

Post #311,263 by Another Scott 7/18/09 7:04:08 PM Reply	Ah. Good points. Sink or swim. It's tempting... Is it reasonable to assume that critical software for an old Thinkpad T41 is less likely to be broken than, say, stuff for the latest and greatest video card? My main fear with going to Unstable is that I'd end up with a broken internet connection or a scrambled screen so that I'd have little choice but to reinstall. I would hope that most of that has pretty much been locked down, so ending up with a "dead" system would be unlikely. I understand there are no guarantees. ;-) Thanks. Cheers, Scott.
Post #311,264 by folkert 7/18/09 7:53:30 PM Reply	I have to agree with Peter. I've been running Sid ... since the start of this T61. I've had all of about 6 hours of using an alternative desktop. Networking has NEVER busted to the point of manual edits not working. Of course i recently got bit by those manual edits trying to get NetworkManager to manage all of my connections. I got it, but not until I had to read and read and read. Scott, quit "worrying", Sid is not worth worrying about. Like I've said before, Sid is better then Fedora Core (any version). Sid is better than Slack by a long shot. Plus you only have to ask here if there are problems. We have a couple of people here.
Post #311,266 by Another Scott 7/18/09 9:29:51 PM Reply	Thanks. Upgrade in progress. Fingers crossed. :-)
Post #311,290 by folkert 7/19/09 10:05:15 AM 7/19/09 10:05:49 AM Reply	Bleah... Finger crossed! Lets hope it worked. Let me guess... Gnome-Core isn't install-able and Gnome-Office is removed... along with Yelp, Update-Manager and other things. Just this past few hours things became "red-flagged" to do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" or an "aptitude full-upgrade" He is hoping things went well. Timing, its everything, huh Jake? This is the first time its been horked in a few weeks... gah! These are the times I wait. Edited by folkert July 19, 2009, 10:05:49 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #311,294 by Another Scott 7/19/09 11:04:43 AM Reply	Seems Ok. Not sure I did it "right", but it seems to be working. apt-get install netselect-apt netselect-apt -n unstable (I tried to backup my existing sources.list but couldn't figure out how...) cp ./sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list apt-get update aptitude safe-upgrade (trundle and download a bunch of stuff...) (Some stuff still didn't seem quite right. Bite the bullet...) apt-get upgrade (trundle and download a bunch of stuff...) (Some stuff still didn't see quite right.) Synaptic - Mark All Upgrades -> Apply (trundle and download a bunch of stuff...) Reboot this AM. Dig up wireless key. Seems to be working. The trackpad seems a little touchy, but I'll worry about that later. SFSG. Thanks. Cheers, Scott.
Post #311,318 by static 7/19/09 9:02:05 PM Reply	apt-get is really good at fixing things. I had a funky Ubuntu upgrade some years ago. The first dist-upgrade didn't upgrade everything, and I was left in a kind-of between-version limbo. With nothing left to lose, I did an update/dist-upgrade cycle again and it sorted itself out. Only time it's ever happened to me. And if you get really stuck apt-get -f install can also work miracles. Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #311,555 by pwhysall 7/23/09 12:43:16 PM Reply	I wouldn't mix aptitude and apt-get I've had funny results with that.
Post #311,578 by beepster 7/23/09 2:05:47 PM Reply	what he said as I've had funny results there also. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #311,627 by Another Scott 7/23/09 7:42:02 PM Reply	Thanks, both of you. I was trying to be cautious... I'll have to read up on this stuff more. I appreciate the voices of experience. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #311,630 by folkert 7/23/09 7:49:27 PM Reply	Yes, 'tis a good bit of advice there. Until Aptitude and Apt-get functionality come together (which is being done slowly) Either use: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade OR aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade Those live are equivalent for each one, they will act differently, but in the long run give exactly the same results. And those lives are "just for demonstration" You should really only do the update and first upgrade on the same line, then the second one. For Apt-get I always add "-u" or "apt-get -u upgrade" which shows me everything its going to do.
Post #311,631 by Another Scott 7/23/09 7:51:51 PM Reply	Thanks, Greg. Always appreciated.
Post #311,675 by static 7/24/09 9:00:32 AM Reply	That's a good point about aptitude. It always seemed a little funky to me, as if it has its own copy of parts of the main apt database. I stopped using years ago. OTOH, I've never seen any problems mixing apt-get and synaptic. They always seem to play nice together. Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #311,691 by pwhysall 7/24/09 12:31:24 PM Reply	synaptic is just a gui on top of apt-get... ...hence what apt-get sees and does, synaptic sees and does. It's fine to mix those, and I do.

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