Seems like end of conversation, then.

Post #27,646 by Arkadiy 2/7/02 10:34:38 AM Reply	Seems like end of conversation, then. OO is for those who think in words. TOP (I still don't quite get it, but so be it - I guess I think differently) is for those that think in images. Next time, before you start talking to somebody about OO, ask which way he/she thinks. If in pictures - you'll find a thankful listener. If in words - you'll find an intersting but purposeless fight. If you were asking my opinion (which you aren't) I'd say that words are better suited for computers. But it's just me. To all: next time you are tempted to argue with Bryce - remember this thread. At least for me, the temptation comes from very basic difference in thinking process. Such differences cannot be settled by an argument.
Post #27,662 by CRConrad 2/7/02 12:47:29 PM Reply	See also Stephenson, In The Beginning Was The Command Line..
Post #27,880 by tablizer 2/8/02 11:10:58 PM Reply	Actually, I like command lines ....if they are well-designed. It is generally easier to type in a substring ("contains") and get a short list of numbered matches than to browse thru a huge picklist of titles. My fingers are faster than my eyes, it seems. However, I have never seen such implemented like I envision it. Some systems "fill in" from the right side, but that is not good enough. It must be a "contains" to work effectively (for me). ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #27,726 by static 2/7/02 8:07:43 PM Reply	Noted. He often seems to come so close and then something twists and he won't go any further. I recall much the same sort of discussion way back on IWE about lexical analysis. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #27,735 by tablizer 2/7/02 9:40:32 PM 2/7/02 9:46:35 PM Reply	Can our differences really be all that simple? >> If you were asking my opinion (which you aren't) I'd say that words are better suited for computers. But it's just me. << But they seem to do tables pretty well. ________________ oop.ismad.com Edited by tablizer Feb. 7, 2002, 09:46:35 PM EST Expand All History
Post #27,782 by Arkadiy 2/8/02 9:37:57 AM Reply	Simple? You call fundamental difference in how people think "simple"? I disagree. My beef is not with tables. OO can meake good use of SQL, lookup tables, even tables containing code, although that's stretching it. My problem is that you don't see the relationship between action and actor. Apparently, for you, actions just happen, without any acting entity, or at least without a single main acting entity. That goes contrary to the way my brain works.
Post #27,827 by tablizer 2/8/02 1:00:37 PM Reply	Compared to others, yes. >> You call fundamental difference in how people think "simple"? I disagree. << It is a much "cleaner" explanation than most others floated, especially those floated at the end of heated debates :-) >> My problem is that you don't see the relationship between action and actor. Apparently, for you, actions just happen, without any acting entity, or at least without a single main acting entity. << I see the relationship as open-ended and dynamic and multiple. I see the relationship to actors like local variables: created, used, then tossed away. IOW, the relationships are "encapsulated" within a given operation more or less. If you make it global, then you have more dependencies to change if the relationships change IMO. ________________ oop.ismad.com

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