whoops, /switch_rant ID is not an American Export

Post #270,119 by boxley 10/12/06 12:31:33 PM Reply	whoops, /switch_rant ID is not an American Export go over to your nearest muslim and tell him his Uncle was a monkey, Take a zippered bag to haul your head back home. ID is a methodology claiming a being created life. As opposed to chemical soup brewing, one is as likely as another. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #270,121 by pwhysall 10/12/06 12:37:09 PM Reply	You believe some silly shit, you really do. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #270,304 by scoenye 10/14/06 9:17:02 AM Reply	Unfortunately, it is A short while ago, the Dutch minister of education tried to introduce ID into the school programs. She was shot down rather quickly, but the propaganda keeps spreading. (Sorry, couldn't find an english speaking article for now.)
Post #270,306 by Another Scott 10/14/06 9:33:10 AM Reply	The price of freedom is eternal vigilance - T. Jefferson. ID is rather like communism, or [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudzu\|kudzu] - once it gets a strong foothold, it's very hard to uproot. Keep up the fight. I find it disturbing that the [link\|http://www.eternalvigilancesociety.org/\|Eternal Vigilance Society] seems to have little understanding of Jefferson. But it's not surprising. Cheers, Scott.
Post #270,310 by boxley 10/14/06 11:20:09 AM Reply	hey, post the other stuff. I can read most euro/latin based languages. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #270,363 by scoenye 10/15/06 8:38:19 AM Reply	Here are some Text of the speech itself: [link\|http://www.minocw.nl/toespraak/73\|http://www.minocw.nl/toespraak/73] In it she calls for a debate at the scholarly level, but given her political roots and position in the government this was generally interpreted as a prelude to introducing ID in the classroom. A follow-up damage control statement to the press didn't make it much better by failing to dispel this ("changes to the school program are not yet in order") Dutch mainstream newspaper "De Volkskrant" (critical): [link\|http://www.volkskrant.nl/den_haag/article198440.ece/Minister_wil_debat_over_evolutie_en_schepping\|http://www.volkskran...utie_en_schepping] From the Technical University Delft (critical): [link\|http://www.delta.tudelft.nl/archief/j37/n14/19695\|http://www.delta.tud...ief/j37/n14/19695] And from Katholiek Nieuwsblad (supportive): [link\|http://www.katholieknieuwsblad.nl/actueel22/kn2236b.htm\|http://www.katholiek...eel22/kn2236b.htm] (The Church hierarchy didn't want to touch the subject with a ten foot pole and steered itself well clear of the controversy.) Most of what I could find follows the same general trend. There isn't much more to it because she didn't get any backup from her own party following the criticism so the thing died quickly. And then we have "homegrown" comments from [link\|http://www.demorgen.be/telex/?news=B348022\|Miroslaw Orzechowski], Polands new vice minister of edukayshun, last Saturday... He's one of those pining for the good old days from before the Communists. (The theory of evolution is "a cowardly opinion of an old, non-believing man" possibly arrived at because "he was a vegetarian and missed an inner spirit".)
Post #270,365 by boxley 10/15/06 9:59:33 AM Reply	evolution is a theory, well founded in research fruit fly research is extremely well documented. The creationists idealogues cannot understand that. Some evolutionists cannot understand that religion is compatible with evolution. It does belong in a philosophy class at the college level not taught as troot at the highschool biology class. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #270,338 by drewk 10/14/06 9:54:58 PM Reply	Be careful, they're changing the name again ID has been getting a bad rap. In particular, it's getting shot down by the courts, who have actually ruled -- I believe this was the USSC that said this -- that ID is just dressed-up creationism. So they've got a new term: critical analysis. They're not suggesting that anyone teach anything in particular, just teach the kids to critically analyze -- IOW question and doubt -- the evolution they've just been taught. In the absence of any history, and if we didn't know who was pushing this and what their agenda has been for several decades, what they're saying would make sense. We should always want people to "critically analyze" science. That's how science progresses. But the people pushing this are the same ones who wrote textbooks about creationism then, when that got shot down, did a global search-and-replace to change "crationism" to "intelligent design" (No, I'm not exaggerating) and put them back in schools. And of course there's the fact that despite saying that all science should be questioned -- err, I mean "critically analyzed" -- they only seem to make an issue of it when it comes to evolution. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #270,340 by Another Scott 10/14/06 10:04:20 PM Reply	It was a US District Court ruling that you're thinking of? [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=238637\|#238637]. Cheers, Scott.
Post #270,347 by drewk 10/14/06 10:16:17 PM Reply	Might have been that one But the specific quote I remember reading was specifically saying that "Intelligent Design" is a transparent renaming of Creationism, with all the same core principles behind them. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #270,348 by imqwerky 10/14/06 10:18:00 PM 10/14/06 10:19:15 PM Reply	Let's boil that down to the root words: So they've got a new term: critical analysis. critic and anal Nuff said. oops, meant to respond to Drew Smile, Amy [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?Amy%20Rathman\|Pics of the Family] Edited by imqwerky Oct. 14, 2006, 10:19:15 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #270,401 by jb4 10/15/06 9:26:37 PM Reply	And you're not even talking about lawyers, either! jb4 "When the final history is written in Iraq, [link\|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif\|it'll look just like a comma.]" — George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06

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