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Post #26,994

by pwhysall

2/2/02 2:44:33 PM

Don't get me wrong

I think that the way de Icaza wants to go is not the right way. He's been a bit of a Microsoft fanboy ever since he got hired there onto the IE/Solaris team.

The right way forward is to identify what cool stuff you'd do with Mono, then put that functionality into Bonobo.

However, the ECMA status of C# and portions of the framework does mean that as long as the Mono project stays true to the ECMA spec, MS can't Crush Them With Patents.

Peter
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Post #26,996

by Andrew Grygus

2/2/02 3:08:49 PM

But they need hold only one . .

. . important piece away from ECMA to make an ECMA standard .NET implementation worthless. Further, that piece can be added later. This is a card game where Microsoft, and Microsoft alone, can add additional aces whenever they please.

Inability to access Microsoft .NET services and servers makes any alternative .NET implementation useless, because those interested in using .NET will have already bought into Microsoft's game. Anybody unwilling to accept Microsoft control will be using Java.

Microsoft will win any .NET game. It is reasonable to have .NET compatible development under way with the understanding it is likely sacrificial, but it makes no sense for it to be a key component of the Linux structure, and even less sense to be evangalizing it as Icaza is.

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GNOME to be based on .NET? - (pwhysall) - (27) - Feb. 2, 2002, 04:35:43 AM EST

He does have the power to hose GNOME - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Feb. 2, 2002, 10:27:55 AM EST

Agreed - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Feb. 2, 2002, 12:58:33 PM EST

You forget one thing - (pwhysall) - (14) - Feb. 2, 2002, 01:31:56 PM EST

Incomplete ECMA - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 2, 2002, 02:13:50 PM EST

Don't get me wrong - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2002, 02:44:33 PM EST

But they need hold only one . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 2, 2002, 03:08:49 PM EST

Don't be so confident - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:25:33 PM EST

Well, here's a guy on Linux Today . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Feb. 2, 2002, 10:08:42 PM EST

Sounds reasonable to me - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Feb. 2, 2002, 10:18:16 PM EST

What if he simply sees technical merit? - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Feb. 4, 2002, 06:18:05 PM EST

The "techie trap" is always . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 4, 2002, 06:57:10 PM EST

I don't care - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2002, 08:48:28 PM EST

and I'll still rather skeptical of its technical merits -NT - (tonytib) - Feb. 5, 2002, 01:11:34 AM EST

My thoughts. - (static) - (3) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:52:32 PM EST

Lose control? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 3, 2002, 05:01:12 AM EST

Your list missed an important item - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 3, 2002, 09:22:47 AM EST

Yeah - I changed my mind. - (static) - Feb. 4, 2002, 04:35:24 AM EST

Explain yourself Miguel, demands RMS - (bluke) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:26:15 AM EST

But that is not a bad thing, it is a good thing! - (nking) - (8) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:45:48 AM EST

*sigh* - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:18:42 AM EST

It is a very bad thing - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:42:32 AM EST

My opinion of Miguel is continuing downwards - (tonytib) - Feb. 5, 2002, 12:57:37 PM EST

Take heart - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 5, 2002, 05:48:25 PM EST

That is heartening. - (static) - (2) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:02:55 PM EST

Miguel may just need to stir the pot occasionally. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:11:31 PM EST

Is that stirring the pot, or whacking the nest? - (wharris2) - Feb. 6, 2002, 03:06:00 AM EST

GNOME on OS/2. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:58:37 AM EST

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