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Post #25,660
by Ashton
1/25/02 1:27:02 AM
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New I'm confused: is that the Jesuit or the Economist ploy
for reducing any topic to absurdity.. after you've missed the original *point?

*point: that in pretty unvarnished phraseology: the Geneva Rules indeed have a treatment methodology for all detainees prior to any [subsequent] reclassification for cause. They are to be treated as

P.O.W.s

Pretending that Brandioch's rebuttal to the 'opinion piece' .. might reduce to ~ tell me about "now's" meaning.. Now! - is pretty lame camouflage for a missed point as huge as the one above. Clintonesque, one might even say - or even Scaliaesque?

D'you ever just come out and say.. I Missed It! ?? or is it a [velocity of money] where-mouth-is kinda thing?


My 10 E(-42) parsecs (for the other form of radar chaff)


Ashton

PS - while 'reclassifying all as terrorists' has gotta be an Econ-type joke: ummm some Jokes of Econ are definitely On Us, every insider-trading day, y'know?
Post #25,662
by bepatient
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1/25/02 4:28:36 AM
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New Keep up, k?
Even if you grant POW status...how has that currently been violated?

Thats my point. It hasn't. Yet. And considering that the vast majority >don"t< qualify as such...the question really is a moot one.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
Post #25,667
by Ashton
1/25/02 7:16:59 AM
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New I suppose that we will be finding out how many 'allies'
will interpret our current (?) 'decision to make no decisions' as something more sinister than incompetence at demonstrating our Principles - in action.

Like it or not, "international diplomacy" has its rituals, including that intentional obfuscation we often confuse with tact. I maintain that we have much more to gain by demonstrating our vaunted concerns for individual rights (they'd best not be in 'quotes' - in other words) - than in seeming to be setting the stage for: getting Information by whatever means, secretly. Virtual guarantee of - imaginations on all scales. And that usually expands exponentially.

We don't do 'covert' very well - that's apparently how we got in this place (we didn't even follow up on that - what's the current mongrelization? - Ahh proactive report about a suspicious guy "who wants to learn how to steer airplanes, but doesn't care to learn how to land").

Gossip may screw up this indeterminate War on Evil* as much as any mole. Guess I can't 'prove' that, though.

* He said that. He really said that.



Let's see where stonewalling actually gets us,

Ashton
     OpEd: Human rights and those guys at Gitmo - (marlowe) - (99) - Jan. 21, 2002, 01:44:36 PM EST
         looks like a life sentence minimum - (boxley) - Jan. 21, 2002, 03:19:14 PM EST
         Parallels with witch hunts. - (Brandioch) - (63) - Jan. 21, 2002, 04:56:36 PM EST
             Yeah, let's at least release their names! - (marlowe) - (61) - Jan. 21, 2002, 05:45:29 PM EST
                 What is it with you people and names? - (Brandioch) - (59) - Jan. 21, 2002, 06:08:22 PM EST
                     If you sincerely have a problem with this... - (marlowe) - (58) - Jan. 21, 2002, 06:26:05 PM EST
                         Oh, I don't know. Maybe ask them? - (Brandioch) - (57) - Jan. 21, 2002, 07:32:46 PM EST
                             Wow. You are beyond parody. - (marlowe) - (56) - Jan. 22, 2002, 12:38:51 PM EST
                                 For the intellectually challenged. - (Brandioch) - (55) - Jan. 22, 2002, 02:03:34 PM EST
                                     Meanwhile, on this planet... - (marlowe) - (54) - Jan. 22, 2002, 02:13:59 PM EST
                                         Okay. - (Brandioch) - (53) - Jan. 22, 2002, 02:49:14 PM EST
                                             Good gawd you're stupid. - (marlowe) - (3) - Jan. 22, 2002, 03:14:50 PM EST
                                                 yer both ijits - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 22, 2002, 03:37:45 PM EST
                                                     Who's got the names, now? - (marlowe) - Jan. 22, 2002, 03:57:41 PM EST
                                                 What was that? - (Brandioch) - Jan. 22, 2002, 06:39:29 PM EST
                                             Methinks you've got another "rights" problem. - (bepatient) - (48) - Jan. 22, 2002, 03:41:46 PM EST
                                                 Depends on the law, doesn't it? - (Another Scott) - (45) - Jan. 22, 2002, 04:08:10 PM EST
                                                     Its ok for... - (bepatient) - (44) - Jan. 22, 2002, 04:49:33 PM EST
                                                         Which is the issue. - (Brandioch) - (43) - Jan. 22, 2002, 06:46:27 PM EST
                                                             Also___ we used to have another saying Pre-Ashcroft - (Ashton) - (1) - Jan. 22, 2002, 08:15:59 PM EST
                                                                 Sly LRPD: IWETHEY's Terrible Horde of Eponymic Yammerers. - (Ashton) - Jan. 22, 2002, 08:26:45 PM EST
                                                             Issues - (bepatient) - (40) - Jan. 22, 2002, 10:14:41 PM EST
                                                                 By way of comparision. - (Brandioch) - (38) - Jan. 23, 2002, 12:27:08 PM EST
                                                                     Try a little research - (drewk) - (37) - Jan. 23, 2002, 12:40:53 PM EST
                                                                         Thank you, Drew. - (Brandioch) - (36) - Jan. 23, 2002, 01:25:56 PM EST
                                                                             US Law suffices - (boxley) - (5) - Jan. 23, 2002, 01:29:50 PM EST
                                                                                 Allow me to post the text of that. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Jan. 23, 2002, 02:27:33 PM EST
                                                                                     what part of OR do you have trouble with :) - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 23, 2002, 02:44:08 PM EST
                                                                                         No problem. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 23, 2002, 03:20:51 PM EST
                                                                                 Aaaaargh, me hearties! - (marlowe) - (1) - Jan. 23, 2002, 03:37:40 PM EST
                                                                                     Yes they did and were treated as POW's -NT - (boxley) - Jan. 23, 2002, 03:44:35 PM EST
                                                                             [Sigh] - (drewk) - (29) - Jan. 23, 2002, 02:14:03 PM EST
                                                                                 Not completely true. - (Brandioch) - (28) - Jan. 23, 2002, 02:37:30 PM EST
                                                                                     Ahh, they're POWs - (drewk) - (25) - Jan. 23, 2002, 02:54:21 PM EST
                                                                                         *sigh* - (Brandioch) - (24) - Jan. 23, 2002, 03:14:35 PM EST
                                                                                             Read your own post - (drewk) - (23) - Jan. 23, 2002, 03:29:26 PM EST
                                                                                                 Weasel words don't suit you Drew. - (Silverlock) - (21) - Jan. 23, 2002, 04:02:10 PM EST
                                                                                                     But that's the exact problem - (drewk) - (17) - Jan. 23, 2002, 04:13:28 PM EST
                                                                                                         NO! - (Brandioch) - (16) - Jan. 23, 2002, 05:02:02 PM EST
                                                                                                             Fair enough - (drewk) - (15) - Jan. 23, 2002, 05:11:33 PM EST
                                                                                                                 I said it, but I didn't mean it. - (Brandioch) - (14) - Jan. 23, 2002, 05:34:11 PM EST
                                                                                                                     Seems that the folks at Oxford - (bepatient) - (13) - Jan. 23, 2002, 05:50:00 PM EST
                                                                                                                         If I may. - (Brandioch) - (12) - Jan. 23, 2002, 06:39:02 PM EST
                                                                                                                             And to clarify 'cause I know you're going to try to be dumb. - (Brandioch) - (11) - Jan. 23, 2002, 06:44:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                                 Good...skip all the parts that make it muddy... - (bepatient) - (10) - Jan. 23, 2002, 10:38:00 PM EST
                                                                                                                                     Re: Good...skip all the parts that make it muddy... - (TTC) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:04:08 AM EST
                                                                                                                                     What was that about binary? - (Brandioch) - (8) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:45:16 AM EST
                                                                                                                                         Care to give me a definition of... - (bepatient) - (7) - Jan. 24, 2002, 01:40:39 PM EST
                                                                                                                                             You have managed to go beyond stupid. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Jan. 24, 2002, 02:12:17 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                 Wrong...go to the lower post to see just how wrong. -NT - (bepatient) - (5) - Jan. 24, 2002, 02:13:45 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                     There's one thing to be said about the functionally illitera - (Brandioch) - (4) - Jan. 24, 2002, 02:23:00 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                         Sorry for underestimating your intelligence. - (bepatient) - (3) - Jan. 24, 2002, 02:38:34 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                             You've achieve the level of an 8 year old. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Jan. 24, 2002, 02:52:42 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 Wow... - (bepatient) - (1) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:05:15 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                     Awwww, isn't that cute? - (Brandioch) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:10:23 PM EST
                                                                                                     It seems that how all this started... - (bepatient) - (2) - Jan. 23, 2002, 04:33:01 PM EST
                                                                                                         You are flat wrong - (Silverlock) - Jan. 24, 2002, 08:09:31 AM EST
                                                                                                         Even this much may be overly generous. - (marlowe) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:11:14 PM EST
                                                                                                 Re: Read your own post - (TTC) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:12:58 AM EST
                                                                                     Find the terrorists and segregate them? - (marlowe) - (1) - Jan. 23, 2002, 03:29:26 PM EST
                                                                                         Tonight on NYPD Marlowe. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 23, 2002, 04:58:10 PM EST
                                                                 Hey BeeP - please FIX your width box.. it proliferates -- -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 23, 2002, 06:59:05 PM EST
                                                 Hmm...not that I disagree.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Jan. 22, 2002, 05:22:37 PM EST
                                                     I know of this practice... - (bepatient) - Jan. 22, 2002, 10:16:51 PM EST
                 Even *with names*: American experience with HUAC, SISS and - (Ashton) - Jan. 21, 2002, 08:35:07 PM EST
             Let us first define and agree on what these folks are - (boxley) - Jan. 22, 2002, 09:22:22 AM EST
         Al-Qaeda and Taliban are the same? - (warmachine) - (3) - Jan. 22, 2002, 05:40:04 AM EST
             Agreed -NT - (boxley) - Jan. 22, 2002, 09:15:51 AM EST
             Well, if we're going to pick nits... - (marlowe) - (1) - Jan. 22, 2002, 12:58:14 PM EST
                 More like pointing out blinkeredness - (warmachine) - Jan. 23, 2002, 07:28:25 PM EST
         So freakin' simple - (mhuber) - (29) - Jan. 23, 2002, 09:04:18 PM EST
             Amen. -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 23, 2002, 09:08:44 PM EST
             As I pointed out to our other distinguished panelist.. - (bepatient) - (27) - Jan. 23, 2002, 10:51:05 PM EST
                 The delay is to avoid any legal process - (mhuber) - Jan. 23, 2002, 11:58:09 PM EST
                 I can take that challenge. - (Brandioch) - (25) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:21:33 AM EST
                     Thanks for the cite - (drewk) - (24) - Jan. 24, 2002, 09:02:58 AM EST
                         The names go to the UN and InterPol. - (Brandioch) - (23) - Jan. 24, 2002, 11:57:21 AM EST
                             Okay, but again *when* do they have to be released - (drewk) - (22) - Jan. 24, 2002, 12:29:25 PM EST
                                 Qouting from what I've just quoted. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Jan. 24, 2002, 01:14:35 PM EST
                                     "its bureau" - (bepatient) - (17) - Jan. 24, 2002, 01:56:04 PM EST
                                         Illiterate, functionally. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Jan. 24, 2002, 02:42:17 PM EST
                                             Ah...so the Geneva Convention... - (bepatient) - (15) - Jan. 24, 2002, 02:59:27 PM EST
                                                 And if we send it by sailing ship, we can wait even longer. - (Brandioch) - (14) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:32:13 PM EST
                                                     So we haven't even given it to ourselves? - (drewk) - (1) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:58:31 PM EST
                                                         Step #1. We collect the data and give it to our bureau. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:06:45 PM EST
                                                     Nice try... - (bepatient) - (11) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:00:41 PM EST
                                                         Again, read the original article. - (Brandioch) - (10) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:10:30 PM EST
                                                             Well then... - (bepatient) - (5) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:25:44 PM EST
                                                                 Simple. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:56:45 PM EST
                                                                     Fine... - (bepatient) - Jan. 24, 2002, 07:01:14 PM EST
                                                                 I'm confused: is that the Jesuit or the Economist ploy - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 25, 2002, 01:27:02 AM EST
                                                                     Keep up, k? - (bepatient) - (1) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:28:36 AM EST
                                                                         I suppose that we will be finding out how many 'allies' - (Ashton) - Jan. 25, 2002, 07:16:59 AM EST
                                                             Oh, I thought we were talking about actual policy - (drewk) - (3) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:33:59 PM EST
                                                                 Ummm, where did I lose you? - (Brandioch) - (2) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:04:54 PM EST
                                                                     So that's what happened - (drewk) - (1) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:21:34 PM EST
                                                                         Hmmmm, I read the article and I didn't get the same from it. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:31:31 PM EST
                                     Let X = X. - (marlowe) - (2) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:22:38 PM EST
                                         Length ~ 1.6x10^-35 meters. Time ~ 10^-43 seconds. HTH. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Jan. 24, 2002, 07:39:59 PM EST
                                             rofl -NT - (bepatient) - Jan. 24, 2002, 08:09:00 PM EST

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