Post #234,207
11/15/05 8:26:52 AM
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Give me patience
I have one kid with strep crying and moaning. I have another kid crying and moaning because his sister gets to stay home from school and he doesnt. I have 2 kids complaining about their breakfast. I have a dog who is trying to jump on the table and eat said breakfast. I have 2 kids crying because the dog touched their breakfast that they wont eat in the first place. I have a neighbor who decides to call at this moment to discuss birthday party plans for her son. I have a kid crying because the other kid is coughing on him. I have a kid who has been getting dressed for the last 45 minutes and still only has his pants on but he's going as fast as he can and now he's crying because I'm yelling at him. Son of a bitch.
I am hiding in my office because I swear to god, I'm going to smack someone......
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #234,210
11/15/05 9:16:47 AM
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Beat them, and call it a regime change
Well, it's what your President would do...
Peter
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Post #234,236
11/15/05 10:59:23 AM
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I only have Patients
and you can have all of them, too, if you'd like.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #234,238
11/15/05 11:09:36 AM
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How many kids do you have?
I count nine, no wonder you're having a rough morning!
Hang in there, virtual hug sent your way.
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Steve
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Post #234,239
11/15/05 11:15:09 AM
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How are kids like coathangers?
They multiply when you're not looking.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,240
11/15/05 11:16:28 AM
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The universe will give you all the patience you need
When you're done with being overwhelmed, your problems will still be piled up waiting for you...
Good luck,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,252
11/15/05 12:04:20 PM
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Interesting quote on NPR
They were interviewing people in France.
The elder immigrants and their children.
The old people saw the hell of Africa and love France. They appreciate everything they get, even when it is very little, since it is so much better than where they grew up.
The kids / young adults see what they don't have, that the other people do, and hate them for it.
So it is all a matter of expectation management.
But the elders still blame France for their kids behaviour. With good reason. They said it is illegal for them to beat their children, and that is why they do not behave. If they were allowed to beat them, none of this would be happening.
Since I can't beat my kids, I make them think that I might snap and kill them some day. Probably the only thing keeping the EGC out of jail.
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Post #234,253
11/15/05 12:15:40 PM
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Don't ever ask for patience!
You will only be given more opportunities to practice it! Trust me! I know!
Okay. You put yourself in time out, good plan. That was smart. Take some deep breaths and remember, "Humans do not eat their young. Humans do not eat their young."
Next, put the fucking dog outside with the breakfast.
Make the kids some chocolate milk. That ought to make them happy.
Next time, don't answer the phone. Fuck whoever calls. That is what the phone machine is for.
If you ever get in a jam like that again, call me. I will help you get in a better mood. I have been there! Cheer up and remember that it could always be worse...You could be sick or the kids could be puking and crapping all over the place.
There, don't you feel better already?
:0)
Big hugs,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #234,290
11/15/05 3:37:00 PM
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Yeah, about that..
it could always be worse...You could be sick or the kids could be puking and crapping all over the place. I went to see my ENT for a post surgical follow-up today. Sinuses are doing fine but he cultured my throat- I have strep, too. I have an awful headache. No wonder everyone is working my last nerve today. Goddamn cold and flu season. BAH! At least no one is puking. Follow your MOUSE
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Post #234,301
11/15/05 4:09:00 PM
11/18/05 8:18:11 PM
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Sending you virtual Chicken soup.
Okay, Bitch. Get it over with. Just let out a great, big WAHHHHHHHHHH!
There, don't you feel better? I'm so sorry that crap is all hitting at once. I hope you are able to get some rest. I was even going to suggest that you keep the well child home too and everybody just pile up in bed and snuggle. I have been known to take the path of least resistance a time or two.
Big squeezy hugs to you and the kiddoes,
Amy
(Oh God! I did this in the Flame Forum...Scott is SO going to kill me. Motherfucker!)
Edited for Flame Forum parameters.
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
Edited by imqwerky
Nov. 18, 2005, 08:18:11 PM EST
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Post #234,310
11/15/05 4:38:11 PM
8/21/07 6:01:53 AM
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I've got that too
started with a sniffly cold last Wed. Thursday I decided to stay home. By Friday I had wicked sore throat and upper respiratory congestion - I know this drill - secondary infection. Drag ass into work to see doctor (work is in old hospital - still Dr office next door - very convenient, that). Arrive at noon, see Dr at 1:00 - she gives me penicillin, peak flow meter to measure asthma (never used one before) impact, and new albuterol inhaler. Answer a couple emails, push an issue or two and then I head home at 2:00.
Spent weekend in bed or on couch. By yesterday I managed a half day of work. Today is first full day back but I'm still sleeping about 12 hours at night and I'm pretty tired all the time. Tired enough to blow $7 on a taxi from the ferry dock to avoid a 15 minute walk. Expect it'll take another week to bounce back.
This thing is kicking my ass.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #234,317
11/15/05 4:43:12 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #234316 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=234316|ICLRPD]
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Steve
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Post #234,443
11/16/05 9:51:40 AM
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Hope you feel better
You goddamn son of a bitch (flame forum etiquette enforced)
You've never used a peak flow meter before? Are you kidding me?
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #234,920
11/18/05 4:22:15 PM
8/21/07 6:15:38 AM
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Peak, shmeak
I've had asthma for 40 years (longer than those little meters or decent drugs have been around) - I can tell how much air I'm getting by feel.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #234,946
11/18/05 5:32:56 PM
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Peak, shmeak?
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #234,990
11/18/05 8:19:21 PM
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Who does the feeling?
Enquiring minds want to know, Shithead!
Just trying to stir things up a bit.
:-D
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #235,109
11/19/05 11:30:26 AM
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I wouldnt call him a shithead if I were you
He might beat the crap out of you with his peak flow meter.
You dont know this one. He's an animal.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #235,132
11/19/05 1:44:29 PM
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Ok, how about PhlegmPhace?
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #234,462
11/16/05 11:31:44 AM
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Healing thoughts your way
you sorry candy ass! I thought you were more macho than that! "I climb Kilimanjaro and kayak over Class 5 Rapids, but this little bug is kicking my ass."
Now, now. It'll be ok. Get your teddy bear and a nice swig of Southern Comfort.
Seriously, hope you are back to normal soon.
from the Flaming Bitch,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #234,469
11/16/05 11:58:59 AM
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Pile On!
Add me to the list of people hoping you recover quickly.
I hope it's not a delayed reaction to your [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=231899|shot]. I've been a little slow after mine (on the 8th), but I don't think they're related.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #234,918
11/18/05 4:20:47 PM
8/21/07 6:15:27 AM
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I am suspcious about that
Dr. claims shot should "rev up" immune system.
I, OTOH, have this theory that its keeping the system engaged and allowed it to become overwhelmed when faced with a real threat - not unlike what would happen in the US were some country to threaten - In this scenario, Iraq is our flu shot.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #234,314
11/15/05 4:41:28 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #234313 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=234313|ICLRPD]
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Steve
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Post #234,617
11/16/05 11:10:53 PM
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Hang in there
You're on the right track, take a few deep breaths, regroup and recharge and tackle it one piece at a time.
Hope you feel better soon, Laura.
Brenda
"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
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Post #234,808
11/18/05 1:52:32 AM
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line'm up 'n knock'm down
first the dog -> outside with a chew bone or similar
second the one that isn't dressed -> to their room until dressed, 'til then no brecky, not dressed before have to leave? take an extra something for lunch
third -> breakfast lasts 10 minutes, use the timer on the microwave (or stove or whatever impartial time meter), time's up, table cleared
fourth -> hot coffee or tea for you.
maintain your cool and your resolution.
recommend a new house rule: absolutely, positively no feeding the dog while at the table. feed the dog before breakfast and before supper. That way he won't be hungry when you're eating. Some people recommend feeding dogs once a day. Horsehockey. two smaller meals will do him better and reduce his tendency to mooch.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #234,951
11/18/05 5:43:30 PM
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Oh, you dont understand this dog.
We've had her about a year. She was a stray. I've been trying to train her up, but she's a pisser. I feed her breakfast and dinner before we eat and we dont feed her table scraps. Still, with a belly full of dog food, she will try to jump up on the table and snatch food off our plates. She's fast. She'll snatch a piece of toast out of your hand before you even realize she jumped up and took it. Usually I keep her outside when we eat, but it was raining hard that morning.
I would love to get rid of her but the kids love her to death. She's a royal pain.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #234,961
11/18/05 6:17:57 PM
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squirt gun at the table
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #234,962
11/18/05 6:33:22 PM
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2nd this approach
works with dogs and cats
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #235,102
11/19/05 11:02:36 AM
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Tried that.
She just sits there, with water dripping off her face, and she wont budge. She never takes her eyes off the food.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #235,147
11/19/05 3:16:17 PM
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Too lazy to branch but real suggestion..
You have to establish who's boss. Tell her "No!" and put her on her back. No tummy rubs; just a stern look. She'll know that it's a confrontation. Keep her on her back until she submits. Submission in this instance will be tail curled up between legs, licking her nose, and failure to maintain eye contact. The dog, not you.
Do this repeatedly and treat her well, and you will have a much better behaved dog. Beating them doesn't work. Might with kids though; never tried. Haven't any.
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Post #235,150
11/19/05 3:28:28 PM
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Good advice.
I haven't tried the back thing directly, but I have gotten in close stare-downs with Colleen. She doesn't like that, and it does reinforce who's boss.
Someone, somewhere must have said: If you don't train your dog, it'll train you.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #235,152
11/19/05 3:46:43 PM
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My dog knows
I'm the alpha male.
He's 100pd wimp anyway...but he knows who the boss is.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #235,191
11/19/05 9:46:37 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #235190 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=235190|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,989
11/18/05 8:16:10 PM
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Another fscking suggestion
After all, this is the goddamn FLAME FORUM!!!!
Get a crate and put the fricking beast in there during mealtimes. Hopefully she won't whine and make a damn commotion.
Peace :-)
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #235,027
11/19/05 12:18:31 AM
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yabbut what does she do with the dog?
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #235,041
11/19/05 1:02:54 AM
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2nd that
we have one for our Bella (our lest there be any confusion). We call it the mutt-hut. We just say "Bella hut" and off she goes to her mutt hut. If we're going somewhere she goes to her hut 'cause she wants to come too...
Obflame: why can't all dogs be so well mannered? what's the matter with these people who don't take proper care of their dogs?? dang it!
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #235,106
11/19/05 11:11:45 AM
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Hey you!
With everything I have to juggle all the time, you think I have time to train a dog, too? Dang it! I can barely train the children!
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #235,139
11/19/05 2:07:46 PM
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You're misdirecting your resources.
Dogs are trainable, children are not. Sometimes they pretend, though.
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Post #235,321
11/21/05 12:08:55 PM
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executive summary
don't train the dog: ongoing behaviour problems
train the dog: fewer crises to deal with
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #235,247
11/20/05 9:08:44 PM
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The crate method is the current recommendation.
But how old is she? She sounds like she's about 18 months old: she's not a puppy anymore so training will take quite a bit longer.
The crate works because dogs hate being ignored. That's clearly not going to work with the food stealing, but if she's doing other attention seeking activity then ignoring her will eventually make her cease that. A distraction also works.
About the food-stealing - if she steals quick, but eats slow, you could also get into the habit of taking it back off her (even if only to throw it away). Yes, this will mean forcing her jaw open and putting your fingers in her mouth. You'd be basically denying her the fruits of her theft, which will also eventually teach her not to steal, though it will initially teach not to get caught. :-)
Given food, some dogs will continue to eat until they physically cannot eat anymore. Yes, that means they will eat themselves sick. It sounds like your dog is like that. That should actually help training because it means she's very food-oriented. Get some dog treats (like beef-liver treats from your pet store or cheese fragments) and use them to reward good behaviour. Such as not jumping up onto the table. Only give her a piece she can almost swallow straight away; if it takes too long to eat the treat, that becomes a distraction in itself. You will have to train your kids as to when they can and when they cannot give her treats. That should initially mean they don't give her treats for several weeks - just you. That will also re-inforce in your dog's mind that you are in charge, even over your kids.
Note that all this teaching will take a minimum of a month to take effect - and that's with a puppy! You will also have to train yourself to be consistent. Only by us being consistent and persistent does our puppy now try to ask to be let out to pee. And she usually goes outside, now, too.
Wade, who could go on a lot more about puppy training...
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
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Post #235,249
11/20/05 9:31:57 PM
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Excellent advice.
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Post #235,287
11/21/05 6:55:44 AM
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Why's the next-to-last paragraph so familiar?We have no dog.
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Post #235,318
11/21/05 12:06:15 PM
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dog trainers
my brother-in-law was over a few months ago with his 2 year old dalmation. He was lamenting how unruly the dog could be. He suggested that maybe a dog tainer could shape the dog up. I explained to him that dog trainers don't train dogs--they train the owners. The owners train their dogs. He, ah, didn't seem to like that. My impression was that he wanted to make his dog's behaviour problems someone else's problem. There's a lesson in there....
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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