Post #234,951
11/18/05 5:43:30 PM
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Oh, you dont understand this dog.
We've had her about a year. She was a stray. I've been trying to train her up, but she's a pisser. I feed her breakfast and dinner before we eat and we dont feed her table scraps. Still, with a belly full of dog food, she will try to jump up on the table and snatch food off our plates. She's fast. She'll snatch a piece of toast out of your hand before you even realize she jumped up and took it. Usually I keep her outside when we eat, but it was raining hard that morning.
I would love to get rid of her but the kids love her to death. She's a royal pain.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #234,961
11/18/05 6:17:57 PM
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squirt gun at the table
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #234,962
11/18/05 6:33:22 PM
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2nd this approach
works with dogs and cats
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #235,102
11/19/05 11:02:36 AM
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Tried that.
She just sits there, with water dripping off her face, and she wont budge. She never takes her eyes off the food.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #235,147
11/19/05 3:16:17 PM
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Too lazy to branch but real suggestion..
You have to establish who's boss. Tell her "No!" and put her on her back. No tummy rubs; just a stern look. She'll know that it's a confrontation. Keep her on her back until she submits. Submission in this instance will be tail curled up between legs, licking her nose, and failure to maintain eye contact. The dog, not you.
Do this repeatedly and treat her well, and you will have a much better behaved dog. Beating them doesn't work. Might with kids though; never tried. Haven't any.
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Post #235,150
11/19/05 3:28:28 PM
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Good advice.
I haven't tried the back thing directly, but I have gotten in close stare-downs with Colleen. She doesn't like that, and it does reinforce who's boss.
Someone, somewhere must have said: If you don't train your dog, it'll train you.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #235,152
11/19/05 3:46:43 PM
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My dog knows
I'm the alpha male.
He's 100pd wimp anyway...but he knows who the boss is.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #235,191
11/19/05 9:46:37 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #235190 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=235190|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,989
11/18/05 8:16:10 PM
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Another fscking suggestion
After all, this is the goddamn FLAME FORUM!!!!
Get a crate and put the fricking beast in there during mealtimes. Hopefully she won't whine and make a damn commotion.
Peace :-)
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #235,027
11/19/05 12:18:31 AM
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yabbut what does she do with the dog?
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #235,041
11/19/05 1:02:54 AM
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2nd that
we have one for our Bella (our lest there be any confusion). We call it the mutt-hut. We just say "Bella hut" and off she goes to her mutt hut. If we're going somewhere she goes to her hut 'cause she wants to come too...
Obflame: why can't all dogs be so well mannered? what's the matter with these people who don't take proper care of their dogs?? dang it!
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #235,106
11/19/05 11:11:45 AM
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Hey you!
With everything I have to juggle all the time, you think I have time to train a dog, too? Dang it! I can barely train the children!
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #235,139
11/19/05 2:07:46 PM
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You're misdirecting your resources.
Dogs are trainable, children are not. Sometimes they pretend, though.
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Post #235,321
11/21/05 12:08:55 PM
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executive summary
don't train the dog: ongoing behaviour problems
train the dog: fewer crises to deal with
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #235,247
11/20/05 9:08:44 PM
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The crate method is the current recommendation.
But how old is she? She sounds like she's about 18 months old: she's not a puppy anymore so training will take quite a bit longer.
The crate works because dogs hate being ignored. That's clearly not going to work with the food stealing, but if she's doing other attention seeking activity then ignoring her will eventually make her cease that. A distraction also works.
About the food-stealing - if she steals quick, but eats slow, you could also get into the habit of taking it back off her (even if only to throw it away). Yes, this will mean forcing her jaw open and putting your fingers in her mouth. You'd be basically denying her the fruits of her theft, which will also eventually teach her not to steal, though it will initially teach not to get caught. :-)
Given food, some dogs will continue to eat until they physically cannot eat anymore. Yes, that means they will eat themselves sick. It sounds like your dog is like that. That should actually help training because it means she's very food-oriented. Get some dog treats (like beef-liver treats from your pet store or cheese fragments) and use them to reward good behaviour. Such as not jumping up onto the table. Only give her a piece she can almost swallow straight away; if it takes too long to eat the treat, that becomes a distraction in itself. You will have to train your kids as to when they can and when they cannot give her treats. That should initially mean they don't give her treats for several weeks - just you. That will also re-inforce in your dog's mind that you are in charge, even over your kids.
Note that all this teaching will take a minimum of a month to take effect - and that's with a puppy! You will also have to train yourself to be consistent. Only by us being consistent and persistent does our puppy now try to ask to be let out to pee. And she usually goes outside, now, too.
Wade, who could go on a lot more about puppy training...
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
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Post #235,249
11/20/05 9:31:57 PM
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Excellent advice.
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Post #235,287
11/21/05 6:55:44 AM
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Why's the next-to-last paragraph so familiar?We have no dog.
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Post #235,318
11/21/05 12:06:15 PM
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dog trainers
my brother-in-law was over a few months ago with his 2 year old dalmation. He was lamenting how unruly the dog could be. He suggested that maybe a dog tainer could shape the dog up. I explained to him that dog trainers don't train dogs--they train the owners. The owners train their dogs. He, ah, didn't seem to like that. My impression was that he wanted to make his dog's behaviour problems someone else's problem. There's a lesson in there....
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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