Post #232,853
11/7/05 4:36:13 PM
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(Branching this) A start for what?
The replacement is pretty much done; I just have to finish search and WeeCodes. Given that I don't share Todd's intense dislike for Java, I don't see a huge benefit to going with repository-based development on a platform that I don't know and hence don't necessarily trust.
I've got an internationalized, clustered application with unit tests, a full build system, a widely-used framework, well-known and widely-used database drivers, and no performance problems. Where's the benefit? The new application builds full forum displays in 10s of milliseconds; I doubt any other system worth dealing with (ie. not C or ASM) is going to be markedly faster.
If we want to do comparisons, though, the best thing to do is build a WeeCode engine and compare that for speed and maintenance.
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Post #232,858
11/7/05 4:53:29 PM
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Has it got an admin interface?
I wanna go nuke me some spammers!
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Post #232,859
11/7/05 4:55:23 PM
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Who said you'd get admin privs?
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Post #232,862
11/7/05 4:59:03 PM
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Me.
Peter
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Post #232,860
11/7/05 4:56:15 PM
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Not yet, but...
It doesn't cache everything permanently in a fucking inaccessible object database so you can't do this stuff manually, though.
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Post #232,864
11/7/05 5:04:18 PM
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Good candidate for a port
One of the reasons given for not bothering with ST is that there aren't any apps. If there were a ST implementation of this forum, that would be one more app you can't say that about.
If you've followed best practices building this in Java, it would also serve as a good apples-to-apples demonstration of just what advantages there are (or aren't) to ST.
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Post #232,867
11/7/05 5:07:26 PM
11/7/05 5:09:31 PM
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At one point I was interested in comparisons
cf. the PHP implementation I started.
I'm less interested in comparisons for the sake of comparisons now, and more interested in things that reduce my time in front of a keyboard. :-P
BTW, sorry if this all sounds crotchety, but I'm feeling, well, crotchety lately...
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Post #232,871
11/7/05 5:23:33 PM
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I know you're not, but thought Todd might be
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Post #232,873
11/7/05 5:26:07 PM
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Personal exercise in entertainment
was what I was talking about.
I don't share your attitudes about repositories and Monticello is the best version control system I've ever used.
But I don't really care what you want to use, I wanted to take a shot at doing a clone of some subset of features and comparing code size/difficulty.
Besides, not to bitch about the (begin bow of deference)verifiably correct xhtml(end bow) UI, but this place could use a little prettying up. :-P
Would also be fun for scalability metrics for seaside (we've secretly replace the forum software with Smalltalk for x% of users - lets see if they can tell the difference).]
Incidentally, I saw a demo of a cool seaside app over the weekend. [link|http://www.dabbledb.com|http://www.dabbledb.com] - think web based filemaker-style (simple, no sql) databases.
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Post #232,876
11/7/05 5:32:36 PM
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It's all good.
Like I said, I'm just being crotchety.
About the UI: uh, yes. The new one looks much better IMO. I thought I had posted a screenshot somewhere, but I can't find it now. Keep in mind, though, that this thing has to run on everything from Lynx to OS/2 to GodKnowsWhat.
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Post #232,878
11/7/05 5:44:54 PM
11/7/05 5:47:31 PM
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Then Seaside would be ideal
since Squeak most certainly runs on all of those.
Err - unless you mean specifically the UI only, at which point I say I'm sick of page oriented UI, ajax UI is here, its getting better defined all the time, and if your browser can't cope with the new UI, well, maybe we'll just give you a CLI and some lovely ascii art so as not to frighten you with rapidly changing pixels.
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Post #232,882
11/7/05 5:56:21 PM
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Er, no, that's the UI
And while you may not care about the users' preferences, I do.
That's not to say there won't be an enhanced UI for browsers that are capable of it, just that I'm not going to exclude people who run other stuff.
Regards,
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Post #232,884
11/7/05 6:02:36 PM
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Oh crap
I'm stepping back now. My asbestos undies are at the cleaners.
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Post #232,890
11/7/05 6:11:17 PM
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ICLRPD: My asbestos undies are at the cleaners. (new thread)
Created as new thread #232889 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=232889|ICLRPD: My asbestos undies are at the cleaners.]
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Post #232,894
11/7/05 6:40:15 PM
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Am assuming you are porting across...
...the current messages into the new version? Or do we get to rekindle all the old debates as if they were new?
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Post #232,895
11/7/05 6:48:01 PM
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Yes.
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Post #232,899
11/7/05 6:56:41 PM
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Lemme guess ... you're not a smartass but play one online?
No, wait ... you're a smartass.
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Post #232,901
11/7/05 7:03:53 PM
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Ask a question like my wife...
... and I'll answer you like I answer her.
I answered the first question. Two questions asking the same thing together in opposite ways are a pet peeve of mine. ;-)
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Post #232,905
11/7/05 7:07:40 PM
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And what kind of question is your wife like?
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Post #232,908
11/7/05 7:16:56 PM
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Yes.
Regards,
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Post #232,914
11/7/05 7:20:10 PM
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Is she from the northeast too? D&RVF before SWMBO comes home
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Post #232,916
11/7/05 7:25:21 PM
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No...
But I think it's chromosomal... ;-)
Regards,
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Post #232,983
11/8/05 11:42:07 AM
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The Double X version?
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Post #232,907
11/7/05 7:16:38 PM
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Porting messages?
Its just a new program on an old database. Right?
If not why not?
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Post #232,910
11/7/05 7:17:50 PM
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Nope.
The old database isn't structured quite the same.
This isn't as big a bang rewrite as I had originally intended wrt. the database, but there are differences.
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Post #232,912
11/7/05 7:18:53 PM
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What were the drivers for this
and was this discussed anywhere?
Feeling a bit more out of the loop now.
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Post #232,915
11/7/05 7:24:44 PM
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I don't recall discussing it.
Mainly I wanted a cleaner design. There are some unnecessary tables. Also there are additional tables for different functionality.
zIWT is a prototype... I wasn't particularly wedded to the design.
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Post #232,918
11/7/05 7:37:48 PM
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And the whole threading issue
And the ever-expanding object DB.
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Post #232,920
11/7/05 7:39:24 PM
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Those weren't reasons to change the DB schema, though...
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-scott anderson
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Post #232,922
11/7/05 7:53:28 PM
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It's your baby.
So if you want to re-schema it, go right ahead. Still, it's been performaing marvellously for a prototype.
But I can certainly sympathise with changing a DB's schema. Been trying to do that at work for months. Unfortunately, it's not my design and there are too many places which dance right on the tables. Fortuantely, we're slowly whittling those down.
Wade.
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