got from kuwait to bahgdad in 3 days, fighting all the way

Post #222,661 by boxley 9/3/05 8:33:33 PM Reply	got from kuwait to bahgdad in 3 days, fighting all the way surely the 20 hrs before the storms bullseye hit the trucks should have been rolling east on I-20 from Atlanta the staging area and forward staged in Hattiesburg jackson birmingham. I can drive from ATL to hattiesberg in the storm bands in 8 hrs. They didnt even start moving out of atlanta until the storm bands were into Northern Alabama. What I will bet will come out is that the powers that be seeing a cat 5 come in figgered the levees wouldnt hold as long as they did and dead bodies sont need consumables. They then freaked after it was apparent that there was a shitload more survivors than they expected. No rush to fill body bags I guess. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,675 by bepatient 9/3/05 11:09:37 PM Reply	always love the monday morning quarterbackin we could have done alot of things differently. Too bad nothin like this ever happened for us to practice on first. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #222,679 by boxley 9/3/05 11:39:45 PM Reply	florida, last year 4 times "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,720 by bepatient 9/4/05 12:08:14 PM Reply	Nowhere close could've parked supplies in the southwest of FL and for the most part they would still be there. Not so with this one. This was a "scrub the earth" storm. Response is definitely not what we expect our government to be capable of. Some of the "rules of engagement" seem downright stupid now in hindsight. Requiring mayor and governer to ask for certain aspects of relief doesn't really consider that they simply may not be capable of asking for that assistance...or may be so overwhelmed as to not be able to handle the full responsibility of their duties (regardless of their capabilities). However, if the federal government would have taken those state responsibilities away before this crisis, we would likely have been debating the "federal power grab" by the Dept of Home Sec. Damned in you do, double damned when you don't. At least we have John Wayne. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #222,730 by boxley 9/4/05 12:37:03 PM Reply	birmingham jackson memphis montgomery lttlerock etc and now in one hour you can drive from baton rouge to the quarter on dry pavement and there is still a lack of clean water food and minor nescessities in the city. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,733 by bepatient 9/4/05 12:54:11 PM Reply	Not seeing the "still" in any coverage. Understand it was slow to get there. But its all there, including med care, food, water etc. And the current issue is get everyone out of the city. All of them. It will not be a safe place to live for several weeks. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #222,747 by jake123 9/4/05 3:14:15 PM Reply	Several months, I'd say It's going to take a looong time to clean that place up to a standard fit for human habitation. Some parts of the city will need to simply be buried for the necessary rehabilitation of the city's defences against the elements. Finally, I sincerely hope that they follow the example of the Netherlands after their big disaster and plan and build for the ten thousand year storm. I for one think that New Orleans should be rebuilt, and largely where it is now; there is a lot of history and culture in that place, and it's not like it can't be done. Furthermore, it represents a great opportunity to make some aspects of the city much better than it is now. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #222,760 by boxley 9/4/05 4:18:49 PM Reply	fox, now talking to 82 yo woman at valance and 14th "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,707 by Ashton 9/4/05 3:30:00 AM Reply	Right, Beep - never expect competence in anything New - only in the rehearsed. Are you then acknowledging that we are the post-competent society? (Except that, as Box mentions: 4 rehearsals. Even nearby. With water.) Starting with Iraq - how many free passes for execrable planning have you left in that Apologia ticket book? That booklet must weigh a ton..
Post #222,718 by bepatient 9/4/05 12:02:55 PM Reply	Nobody getting a free pass enough screwing up to go around If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #222,729 by hnick 9/4/05 12:27:51 PM Reply	There is no oversight either In a working social system there should be an ongoing critical analysis of the system in being. There is none here. I just develop wireless network systems and I am reviewed 4 times a year for performance. Our government, after each disaster/fuckup, goes through a period of finger pointing and distraction. Fortunately this is less than every 4 months. If we can bankrupt the country to meddle in another countrys politics, we can afford to have nonpartisan backup contingencies for important cities in our own county. It might even be nice to include the unimportant cities as well; they pay taxes too. There were a lot of screwups, local, county, state, and federal. It would be nice if the system would deal with this rather than sweep it under the rug. A real, rather than political, postmortem of the process would be of significant value. Assuming that anybody used the data other than to smear his opponent. Oh well, it was an idea...
Post #222,731 by imqwerky 9/4/05 12:48:57 PM Reply	I agree but the problem always boils down to the Benjamins...who is gonna pay for a study of how we fscked up. Nobody wants to fiddle with an open sore, unfortunately. It is similar in context to a situation that happened in real life: My dad got involved in a start-up venture. There were warning signs right and left that indicated the venture was being poorly managed. It went belly-up in less than a year. My dad, at age 57, risked everything and lost. It threw him into a deep depression that haunted him until his death from multiple myeloma at age 63. I suggested that he write a book about "how not to run a start-up". He could've made lemonade from the lemons...could have had a bestseller. But he was too embarrassed, depressed, and defeated to even put the whole mess into words. He didn't want to be a cautionary tale. I view this whole thing in N.O. as parallel to the above. No one wants to admit their mistakes. There is too much pride on the line - more's the pity. I will be watching to see if Nagin emerges as the one sane voice above the din. While I don't approve of him cussing out the Feds, I admire his courage to say what the people are saying...and not mincing words into the P.C. verbiage. I hope that someone: the academic community, a non-profit org., or anyone else with the time and resources, will shed light on what was done versus what should have been done. Unfortunately, the only way to learn is through the "School of Hard Knocks" (tm), "Hindsight 20/20" (tm), and "Doh!" (tm). Praying for peace, Amy "Losing your mind is like losing your keys. You have to retrace your steps to find out where you left it. But the bonus is that you usually find loose change in the cushions." ABR '05 :-D
Post #222,734 by bepatient 9/4/05 12:57:32 PM Reply	Trust me folks This will be investigated ad-nauseum. Problem >really< is...once the issues are identified they will magically never get fixed. Already I can hear the campaign promises being made in the next presidential that will certainly be between screwup number 1 (r) and screwup #2 (d)...since we, the greatest nation on earth...seem to be able to generate such great candidates for leadership. (sigh) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #222,756 by hnick 9/4/05 4:12:22 PM Reply	You evidently missed the nonpartisan part I'm not sure how to do it exactly, but if we can have judges with lifetime span tenures, why not government auditors? Consider: we put selected auditors through the same scrutiny we do for SC judges, and leave them in for life. Evidence of corruption resets life to 5 seconds from $NOW. Might be interesting...
Post #222,814 by Simon_Jester 9/4/05 7:48:03 PM Reply	Gosh BP.... you're starting to sound like Aston. ;-)
Post #222,832 by ben_tilly 9/4/05 10:09:13 PM Reply	What should have been done... The problem was forseeable and forseen. Why not mobilize before the hurricane struck? Some federal assistance moving people then would have saved money and lives compared to moving them after the area was a disaster. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #222,833 by Andrew Grygus 9/4/05 10:13:58 PM Reply	Too risky If the money had been spent to evacuate people and the disaster didn't happen after all, someone would have been blamed for wasting the money and that would be career threatening. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #222,839 by boxley 9/4/05 10:21:31 PM Reply	sometimes is depressing when you are right "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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