Post #200,980
3/28/05 7:49:27 PM
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I have a question, too
Are you guys willfully missing this point over and over?
NOTHING existed before in Mozilla but to open the prefs file and edit with a text editor.
Firefox added fine configurabilty, and was still simpler to use and became more popular than it's predecessor.
IOW, the Firefox example is really bad for your argument.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
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Post #200,986
3/28/05 8:45:43 PM
3/28/05 8:54:58 PM
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Um.
about:config was part of Mozilla before the project which eventually became Firefox was even in public beta. Notice, for example, that about:config is mentioned in the [link|http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0/#files|Mozilla 1.0 release notes], and that release took place in June 2002. The first experimental Phoenix release wasn't until September of that year.
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Post #200,991
3/28/05 9:00:59 PM
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heheh. OK - never used it until firefox.
I never knew it was there; I always thought fiddling with prefs was a pita.
Doesn't negate my main point, though.
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #201,009
3/28/05 11:36:40 PM
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But it does.
Firefox stripped out a lot of options (there's nowhere near as many as in the full suite) and took a lot more which were in the Mozilla preferences dialog and moved them into about:config. GNOME stripped out a lot of options and took a lot more which used to be in preferences dialogs and moved them into GConf. What's the difference? --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
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Post #201,028
3/29/05 6:41:53 AM
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What configuration options did they strip out?
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #201,033
3/29/05 7:14:13 AM
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Who are you talking about?
If Firefox, just type about:config in Mozilla and about:config in Firefox, and compare. --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
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Post #201,036
3/29/05 7:32:14 AM
3/29/05 7:33:41 AM
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You.
*sigh* This whole thing is about configuration in Gnome. Not the apps included with Gnome. Not paying attention? You replied with: "Firefox stripped out a lot of options (there's nowhere near as many as in the full suite)" I asked what configuration options they stripped out. Not what features like a mail client, or html editing, or chat. That an application is available not as an integrated suite, but now as separately downloadable components and apps, is nowhere near the point. So tell me - what configuration options (you can ignore about:config, since I didn't know it was there in Mozilla; this should make it easier for you) did Firefox strip out? When you answer that I have some more questions. [link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
March 29, 2005, 07:33:41 AM EST
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Post #201,514
4/1/05 1:31:38 AM
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I know some of the cookie settings went away.
Because in the full suite and in other Gecko-based browsers like Galeon you can do some nifty cookie stuff that you can't in Firefox. Ditto a lot of the tabbed browsing preferences (hence TBE). And, while I don't have an exhaustive list handy, I suspect a lot of other things went as well. --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
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Post #201,003
3/28/05 10:53:32 PM
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Data point
I work with some reasonably savvy people, and the first we hear of about:config was when news of how to up the number of active http connections made the rounds 6-8 weeks ago.
What we all did know about is the Tools > Options... dialog, which provides simple access to a reasonable subset of configuration options (and looks enough like what people are used to from IE that it doesn't scare newcomers that way about:config does).
Splitting things up in that way--hard stuff obscured, and common stuff within access with a friendly wrapper around it--seems quite sensible.
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Post #201,084
3/29/05 11:49:04 AM
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!
You would have heard about it a looong time ago if you hung around here more...
Cheers,
Ben
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