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New I need a new amp
I have an aging Kenwood stereo (going on 15 years old now) with a degrading control amp.

I went looking to replace the amp, but all one can buy these days is a combo amp/surround sound/DVD player/Cuisinart/pool table (ok, just kidding on the Cuisinart part). Normally at this point I would have considered repairing the control amp. However, the more I thought about it, the better the idea of replacing the entire stack sounds. I can replace about 40 pounds of stereo equipment and two hyarge speakers (15" woofers if that gives you any idea), and combine the CD player, DVD player, VCR, power amp, control amp, and possibly the tuner in one small unit with a subwoofer and 4 small speakers.

The problem is I have no idea what brands or models to look at, being a Bear of Little Clue in this area.

I'd like something less than $500, with surround sound, a DVD/CD player, extra inputs for the TV, DVR, and Squeezebox, and a VCR (if possible). Since we have a DVD player and VCR, just a decent surround sound box would probably suffice as well, but since the cost differential seems relatively minor, I'm not sure I care.

Any suggestions?
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Think again about getting your present gear fixed.
Physics hasn't changed in the last 30 years. You may have better gear than you can get new for a reasonable price.

If your amplifier is having problems it is most likely due to problems with its electrolytic capacitors. Caps don't last forever. Those can usually be replaced fairly easily.

Browse around [link|http://www.samswebsite.com/photofacts.html|here] and see if they have the schematics for your Kenwood box. It might be worth the $10 or so for the paperwork to see if a few parts will get you back in business.

You probably want to talk to Ashton too.

With all that said, if you just want to buy a new box, I've been happy with my Sony STR-DE515 from Crutchfield. It's several years old - I'm not sure what's comparable these days. I only use it as a tuner/amplifier/turntable interface/CD interface/controller. It's hooked up to the TV too but we don't use it with the TV. It's got lots of features we never use - e.g. concert hall/garage/bathroom/outdoor amphitheater acoustic tuning, etc. The remote is a little obtuse.

We recently purchased some $300 JBL large bookshelf speakers from B&H that sound pretty good but I can't compare them to what else is out there. My impression is that most reasonably price speakers these days are garbage (the magnets are too small).

HTH. Luck!

Cheers,
Scott.
New good idea! Ash whats the turn around time on repairs?
and the rate natch :-)
regards,
daemon
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New Two things:
It's laaarrrrrge, and it isn't surround sound. But thanks for the suggestions.

The size is going to be a serious factor if we get a large-screen TV and lose the current enclosure.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New stroll by the local flea/pawn shops first
might find some screamin rare gems at a reasonable price first.
regards,
daemon
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New Bad idea
If he has to ask here for recommendations, he wouldn't recognize a good deal at a flea market.
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New Agreed.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Re: I need a new amp
In interest of KISS -

What your doppelganger said, re the physics and all. Probably your Kenwood could be repaired, though dunno what sorts of shops (or shoppes) abound in your area. ie May be cheaper to just replace the Kw with something else, especially if it's a hassle to find somebody local who can still troubleshoot and also use a soldering iron.

If you want a simple amp (usually still + preamp - perhaps even hi-gain, as for moving-coil phono cartridges) another No-nonsense usually good-buy brand is NAD, and you don't need to take the persimmon peeler.

While there hasn't been a 'need' for 15" woofers in at least a couple decades, given discoveries about passive radiators, long-throw voice coils, etc. - at least your system is probably (electrically) efficient == you don't need many watts/channel. If you Like its sound through the years -?- no need to embark on a mind-meld into latest gizmoes.

Best argument for the persimmon-peeler assemblies is - the remote - whether for mute or just volume change.. but my brain hurts when contemplating all the multi-channel Tee Vee special effects gadgetry (and maybe yours does too). Thing is - it's Great for feeling the Mother Ship overhead, as the belly-hatch opens and the US Capitol is met with its anti-matter exact equivalent {sustained Woo/Yays from relieved populace} -

But for stereo playback of music - well, an NAD should sound Just Fine. (There's a plethora of other Designer brands, current with which I am not; but it's a jungle of TLAs and hype out there - even about a simple amplifier :(

(And any discussion of fidelity Old, New and Doublespeak-Marketing.. gets into stuff more arcane than [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194882| this :-\ufffd].)


Luck,

moi


PS - for Admin, I'd ponder the trans-shipping, etc. re repair. :-)
Fact is though, I no longer have distortion meters and paraphernalia for decent audio *checking, would likely have to run down O-Scott's handy link to a Sam's and then .. wait for parts. (Caps is always a good bet, but hardly a diagnosis).

*fixing overt symptoms is one thing and sometimes it's enough. But it isn't 'fixed' until it meets certain specs. I Hate sloppy.. Etc. Now were it an FM tuner, I just happen to have a pristine Sound Technology 1000A - which is what Marantz used in designing the legendary "Model 10B" (as still garners $2-3K on eBay). That would vet any FM tuner extant. It's a different world now: that of the disposable..
Expand Edited by Ashton Feb. 19, 2005, 06:15:36 AM EST
New Remember the thinger lost in transit???
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New Re: I need a new amp
The new amp will be more for the TV/DVD/PVR than for stereo playback, excepting the Squeezebox.

Would bad caps cause intermittent buzzing and cut-outs? If I tap the amp or fiddle the RCA plugs on the back I can sometimes get the sound to come back. Walking in front of it does that as well (or is just as likely to send it south instead).

The system has a remote (Kenwood's brand-new-at-the-time synchro system) so that's not a driving force. Size, 5-1, and the faults are.

Thanks.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New That sounds like bad connections somewhere. 118 kB .img
My father had an 1970s-ish RCA 25" TV that was blown up by lightning a couple of times. He managed to fix it each time and it remained a pretty good set. The fact that he couldn't hear the flyback tranformer whine any more let him think it was ok too. ;-) He told me what finally did it in was the quality of the soldering in it - there were eventually too many bad connections for him to fix. It was over 20 years old by that point.

Modern soldering of circuit boards is automated and is usually pretty good so that is probably not the problem with your stuff.

It used to be that my wife's Dual turntable would only work on both channels if she banged the tonearm just the right way. I eventually found a replacement cartridge for it and the problem went away.

Your description is classic signs of bad connections somewhere. I think that bad capacitors usually have different symptoms (e.g. in my 30" Toshiba with some bad caps the vertical size of the image is way off.). Caps fail by internal failure (short circuits or open circuits), leakage of the electrolyte, swelling, or bad external contacts. It's something that might be worth a visual inspection (after checking the stuff below). But my guess is you've got a bad contact somewhere - most likely the cables or where the cables attach.

Buzzing is often a bad ground connection.

Check the cables from the amp, the interal connections to the output conectors, and the speakers. Simple things like that - you might be surprised. Have you tried using a different set of speakers? You need to figure out if it's the electronics or the wiring or the speakers.

If size of the electronics is a big issue, I think there are remote remotes that let you control things in a different room. Maybe you can put your electronics in a closet and just have a remote sensor wired to it. Then get your 15.1 CyberSurroundMegalopolisCompanderExplosion box wired into your existing amplifier, etc. (Of course, it's probably easier to find a new all-in-one than to find just a Dolby x.y decoder box.) You'd still have to figure out what to do with your speakers. Maybe build a coffee table around them or something....

Or you could throw caution to the wind and just get [link|http://www.crutchfield.com/S-HY7ZuCKahb0/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=10420&I=033AV5805B|this ] contraption. After you win the lottery. You'll probably need to reinforce your floor first. Here's the back view:

[image|http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2004/033/h033AV5805B-b.jpeg|0|Denon AVR-5805 back|194|300]

:-)

Luck. HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who hates to see good equipment replaced before its time.)
New Re: That sounds like bad connections somewhere. 118 kB .img
The cables are all tight. If the connection is bad it's inside the case. I've checked the speaker wires several times as well.

Thanks.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Those sockets do die.
Though it's usually from constant use, not constant connection.

2c deposited.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Yawn.. I have one of those in my car.
These toys are beginning to resemble a patch panel at the Bevatron - but with Gold-plated connectors. And $500 Or-more Speaker Cables [I'm not making that up, either.]

(I wonder who/what/where such a $Six Thousand box might be 'repaired'?)

As to the buzz - agreed, likely a missing ground - or 'added' ground loop!
"Walking in front of it" -- shades of RIAA phono inputs, and even, the plug in the wall at 'wrong' polarity. Bad PS filter caps == 120 Hz hum (not 60.. except with vacuum tube filaments). But a bad cap in other circuits: conceivably a buzz, I guess.

Offhand, I think a hardware kindaguy needs to assess this; doesn't usually translate well into a flow chart. Hell, it could even be some lo level amp picking up Tee Vee sync buzz! (often the case in the old days) Too many parallel possibilities. :-/


Luck,
moi
New How about something like this?
This looks pretty cool. Based on the reviews it might just be what you are looking for:
[link|http://sharp-world.com/products/1-bit/sd-hx600/index.html|Sharp's SD-HX600/SD-HX500]

Of course you could wait for this:
[link|http://sharp-world.com/products/1-bit/sd-as10/index.html|Sharp's SD-AS10]

Of course, you could always go for the complete HOME theater system with home automation too.

Muchos dollars though.
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New Thanks.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Don't buy an all in one.
DVD and VCR both have a much shorter life span. Keep the VCR and DVD sepearte and buy the amp/5.1 speaker set as an all in one.

Sony would get you a pretty decent setup for 500. Same with Kenwood. Check bestbuy for the all in one sony systems.

They even sound good with music playback at resonable to low volumes.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Re: Don't buy an all in one.
Good advice. I need to start applying my computer hardware tendencies to AV equipment, I suppose.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I'm rather partial to Yamaha receivers
Currently have a HTR-5660 with 6.1 discreet surround (DTS:ES). It sounds sweet already, but I can't wait till I get out of the apartment into a house where I can properly test it out.

For what you're looking for I would suggest the [link|http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/receivers/RXV550.htm#| RX-V550 ] 6.1 surround receiver priced at $399 MSRP or the [link|http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/receivers/RXV650.htm#| RX-V650 ] at $499 if you want 7.1 surround.
~~~)-Steven----

"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."

General George S. Patton
New Looks nice, but pretty expensive.
Since the speakers don't come with it that I can see.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Re: Looks nice, but pretty expensive.
Nope, I bought my Klipsch speakers separately
~~~)-Steven----

"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."

General George S. Patton
     I need a new amp - (admin) - (20)
         Think again about getting your present gear fixed. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             good idea! Ash whats the turn around time on repairs? - (daemon)
             Two things: - (admin)
         stroll by the local flea/pawn shops first - (daemon) - (2)
             Bad idea - (drewk) - (1)
                 Agreed. -NT - (admin)
         Re: I need a new amp - (Ashton) - (6)
             Remember the thinger lost in transit??? -NT - (folkert)
             Re: I need a new amp - (admin) - (4)
                 That sounds like bad connections somewhere. 118 kB .img - (Another Scott) - (3)
                     Re: That sounds like bad connections somewhere. 118 kB .img - (admin) - (1)
                         Those sockets do die. - (static)
                     Yawn.. I have one of those in my car. - (Ashton)
         How about something like this? - (folkert) - (1)
             Thanks. -NT - (admin)
         Don't buy an all in one. - (bepatient) - (1)
             Re: Don't buy an all in one. - (admin)
         I'm rather partial to Yamaha receivers - (Steven A S) - (2)
             Looks nice, but pretty expensive. - (admin) - (1)
                 Re: Looks nice, but pretty expensive. - (Steven A S)

I was pretty stoked the day I learned how to properly pronounce "Worcestershire," because I don't have a lot going for me.
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