Post #194,865
2/15/05 8:54:07 PM
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Does it matter?
Isn't her sleeze factor strong enough for you notwithstanding the veracity of that claim?
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #194,870
2/15/05 9:33:01 PM
2/15/05 9:38:38 PM
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I don't think she's sleazy.
I don't have a strong opinion about her either way because I haven't paid that much attention to her. I've heard rumors about her tenure as Provost at Stanford; I've seen some of her testimony before Congress; I skimmed one of her recent speeches to a church; and I've seen some of her comments on the Sunday TV news shows. She's an advocate for her and the administration's positions. She strikes me as someone who doesn't like to publicly admit mistakes (but who in a presidential administration does?). Her statements have been too categorical ("Nobody could have predicted ...") in some instances, but I don't think she's [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=sleazy|sleazy].
YMMV.
I would like, if possible, to see a link to the reported comments. It might cause me to reevaluate my opinion.
[edit:] Typos. Spellbound doesn't work if I don't use it...
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #194,899
2/16/05 12:59:52 AM
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C'mon now
Successful black woman in a republican cabinet?
She had to do >something< to get there!!<end sarcasm>
Nope, her individual success is forever lost on these folks because she had the misfortune of being in the Bush 2 cabinet.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #194,903
2/16/05 1:21:02 AM
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'Successful' - oh well, then -- what more need be said?
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Post #194,910
2/16/05 2:21:37 AM
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Interesting retort.
Perhaps she should just be happy being alive I suppose.
Who needs goals in >life< like education, self betterment...etc
Beep said successful...he must mean cash.
You need to find at least a second track for your mind to operate on once in a while.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #194,916
2/16/05 3:49:09 AM
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Re: Interesting spin on 'Success'; dictionary says <obs>
One would imagine from that, that any idea of $$$$$ :-0
would be a gross misrepresentation of the Normal Murican FIRST-association with that word.
Of course you are right: the 'Success' of a B Gates, a D Trump, a Chain-saw wozzisname? -- are all about the Examples set. Leadership, Moral Suasion, Love-of-God and just all-round Good Citizenship, not to mention their Social Stewardship and overall role in elevating the general quality of Liff for All Muricans.
I am forced to concede that, whereas our ex-AG was rescued from the ignominy of being defeated by a Dead Man -in his Last position over which anyone had a vote- our new-SS never was defeated by a Dead Woman.
I sense that, in this there is Progress (is that a bit like Success?)
Perhaps we can dissect compassionate during some other lull..
(The new Millennial dictionary will need lots of corrected definitions, I foresee.)
I note too a lot of ads, on PBS too - are now using the very-same phrase, even though it was rendered ludicrous upon its first recent use by The Beast,
We Are Passionate About [Accounting! .. is the most hilarious recent one.]
Yours most faithfully in Success's service,
moi,
A Miserable Failure..
in the acquisition of Paid Congresscritters Doing My Bidding for the benefit of Gawd and Country - and certainly NOT for the $$$$$
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Post #194,971
2/16/05 12:07:11 PM
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Do you ever get out of your house?
I do have a lot of compassion for you when you do - walking around, looking at people passing by, being sure that they are "Normal Murican"s. You really must feel like you're in an inverted zoo all the time.
--
- I was involuntarily self-promoted into management.
[link|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484|Richard Stallman]
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Post #195,009
2/16/05 2:13:37 PM
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Interesting.
Cause all the "American" dictionaries list the $$$ after "accomplishing the desired outcome/achieving an established goal". Minor point,I suppose, that you seem to continue to miss with your lovely examples.
If your goal was progress...well then you were successful, weren't you?
Feel free to dissect any word you like. It helps, though, to start with the more common meanings.
Which is better...compassion or empathy? I feel your pain.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #195,054
2/16/05 7:31:21 PM
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Really.. Beep
We are all humongously aware of the many connotations of this all-purpose umbrella-word.
(But you're trying to assert with-straight-face that, within this culture - so hooked on the daily $$ doings as to be Obsessive - it's the Goodier ones that come first! in the jelloware. Oh. Really.)
Maybe we should just elide words like success, for the same reasons that we now think twice about using the word innovation. We can add them to the growing list of once useful symbols, forever corrupted by Advertainment and Newspeak, whereby a war-on-lies morphs into daily lies-on-war.
Then there's gay .. and finally, forever in the land of the Laughable: compassionate conservative (in that case, each separately.. I mean, when your symbols are a group who used to be Trotskyites, and when 'conservation' has come to mean profligate debt and reversal of all fortune..)
But let us never surrender, emasculate the most descriptive word, that which is the blueprint for corrupting all the other ones: hypocrisy. That one's worth going to the barricades for!
As to Lovely Rita, Metermaid Successful Condi .. how's that classic Soth'n praise-with-faint-Damn go?
etc. etc. ... but, Gawd love [___], the little dear(s).
(Right up there with, Hey, It's All Good!)
cha
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Post #195,056
2/16/05 7:51:41 PM
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Sure.
American culture has so destroyed all things human that we might as well just blow ourselves up now.
Oh wait...thats someone else's mo.
And for someone who chastises the conservative...you sure seem to pine quite a bit for the days where these things weren't so "spoiled".
Oh well.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #195,087
2/16/05 11:44:41 PM
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Hardly a matter of 'the days when'
It's a matter of 'attitude towards' the value nay Necessity of uncorrupted language, especially re such Idiotically false dichotomies as, Liberal/Conservative Left/Right and the rest of the dumbspeak which forever keeps Murican 'politics' paralyzed in Romper Room.
(Perhaps it's unMurican to harp on the absurdity that IS Murican politico-speak. Very well, then.)
And in (apparently your-) lexicon, I Am Conservative of Such Valuez; it is the (successful Rovian-) myth seized by the current crop of mind-fucking Trotskyites, that... Valuez belong only to the Troglodytes.
So many straw-men; so few butane lighters.
WDYHASM
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Post #195,111
2/17/05 7:01:06 AM
2/17/05 7:01:31 AM
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YOU are the one that claimed this is a current condition,
Ash.
The fact of the matter is that the meaning of success is NOT $$$. I don't think of it that way. I doubt I'm alone.
Of course, that may be how YOU define it, along with those you so bitterly criticize.
See? You have something in common with your foes! You are building bridges!
Really, Ash - once again, you seem to be comfortable with abetting 'language murder' when it's convenient to your own point.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
Feb. 17, 2005, 07:01:31 AM EST
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Post #195,124
2/17/05 9:24:21 AM
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You are not alone in your definition.
But you are hardly of the majority. At least in this kuntry.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #195,127
2/17/05 9:25:46 AM
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I doubt that.
This group is hardly cut from a cross-section, my friend.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #195,121
2/17/05 9:17:48 AM
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Re: Hardly a matter of 'the days when'
WDYHASM Must have been a sig or a statement. Should have been WDIHASM when included in your post. At that point it simply is out of place and should be listed at the beginning of your post...because the remainder of the post is a fine example of "let me count the ways". If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #195,192
2/17/05 2:27:15 PM
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Hey...If pining for a time when...
...the Fascist were foreign instead of domestic, I happily license you to use the term "Reactionary" to describe me any time.
And I guess your tacit (and often less-than-tacit) support for Duh's "budget management" makes you a "Liberal", by your own definition of the word.
Fits right in with Ashton's language murder theme, don't it?
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #195,037
2/16/05 5:11:19 PM
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Successful != Effective
Example: Windows.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,055
2/16/05 7:47:42 PM
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Possibly not
Doesn't change the fact that she's achieved alot for herself in her lifetime. Doesn't change the fact that she is just as or more qualified than quite a few of our state chairs. That might be a statement on just how bad our diplomats are.
As I said, she's had the misfortune of acheiving this under GWBush...which strikes her out for the 49% who are still sweating florida 5 years ago.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #195,098
2/17/05 1:16:09 AM
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That and the out and out lies
or "errors" if you like. The fact remains that she wasn't a very good NSA.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,122
2/17/05 9:23:33 AM
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Those aren't lies to Beep, she simply "mis-spoke".
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #195,125
2/17/05 9:24:51 AM
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She's in politics.
You want absolutes, stick to math.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #195,181
2/17/05 1:43:27 PM
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What's fuzzy about
1) [the aluminum tubes] "Are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs." --Sept. 8, 2002
2) "We have found, in Iraq, biological weapons laboratories that look precisely like what Secretary Powell described in his February 5th report to the United Nations." --May 28, 2003
3)[the phony uranium purchase documents]"Maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency, but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery." --June, 2003
4)"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these same people [9/11 hijackers]... would try to use a hijacked airplane as a missile." --May 2002
5) [Aug. 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."] "It did not warn of attacks inside the United States."
Lies are lies. You can shrug it off as politics if you want to. I see something more dangerous here. These are not your garden variety politicians. These people are fucking dangerous and really belong in jail.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,349
2/18/05 8:14:30 AM
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Can I have an "Amen" from the crowd?
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #195,353
2/18/05 8:29:07 AM
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Amen!
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #195,357
2/18/05 9:16:35 AM
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Hosanna
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"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican."
-- H. L. Mencken
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Post #195,370
2/18/05 11:01:52 AM
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Hallelujah!
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Post #195,392
2/18/05 12:54:57 PM
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Doo-wah Diddy!...errrr...Amen!
(Sorry, wrong radio station....)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #195,388
2/18/05 12:31:30 PM
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Fine.
Lock them up and replace them with the folks that ignored it for a decade.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #195,397
2/18/05 1:30:35 PM
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Who would that be..
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #195,403
2/18/05 1:43:07 PM
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Would be a huge improvement
not that Clinton totally ignored it. He did lob a few cruise missiles at ObL when the opportunity arose. However he was spending all his time addressing the Ken Starr witch hunt regarding inappropriate uses of cigars. Which I objected to at the time and continue to.
Prosecute him on your own time. The magnitude of the indiscretion was insignificant. Nobody even died.
I at least believe that, were the previous decade's people back on the job, we'd be getting actions that 1) don't fuck the country collectively in the ass and b) actually do try to make us all better off.
Saddest is I find myself longing for the days of the simply corrupt politicians that only seeked to line their own pockets rather than wage class warfare at the expense of us all.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,412
2/18/05 3:24:28 PM
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You aren't alone.
Though what I find tragic is that Clinton was a MUCH better Republican than any Neocon.
The current crew is evil. Many of our leaders belong in prison; a goodly chunk of the rest belong in a madhouse. I could forgive incompetance. I could forgive stupidity. I cannot forgive the damage they are doing to the future of our nation, and the world. The constant lying of our leaders to our people CANNOT be forgiven - though for some reason, the people seem to find those lies more palatable if they are coated in a sauce of lipservice to religion and spiced with violence, death, and revenge.
God help us, every one.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #195,413
2/18/05 3:30:46 PM
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It started with the Father of the Them All.
Ronald Reagan.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #195,415
2/18/05 3:34:05 PM
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I think he actually believed
his own spiel.
I can't even accord the current administration (his degenerate political offspring) that much credit.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #195,417
2/18/05 4:22:57 PM
2/18/05 4:23:57 PM
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True.
[Edit: Forgot the easy cheap shot]
Reagan did have Alzheimer's.
Dubya is perhaps the only person in the world that could make Reagan and Nixon look good.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
Edited by mmoffitt
Feb. 18, 2005, 04:23:57 PM EST
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Post #195,418
2/18/05 4:38:15 PM
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And of course if RR had been forced to live by his policies
he'd have died drooling wrapped in a newspaper in a doorway.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,497
2/19/05 6:40:11 AM
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Brevity Award - two ears and a tail.
To me the major absurdity is that these offenses utterly transcend our inane Left/Right, ""Conservative/Liberal"" mumbo jumbo, via which all Murican political speech is rendered pointless from the get-go.
That ~ Half of Muricans, in 2005 can be completely suckered by Rovian religio agit-prop, having utterly ignored ALL THOSE LIES in the war propaganda -- leaves no room at all for optimism.
Nukes. These unprincipled fuckers would use them in any 'crisis' - real, or their specialty: imagined.
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Post #195,531
2/19/05 1:24:27 PM
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Mahablog agrees with you there
[link|http://www.mahablog.com/2005.02.13_arch.html#1108774005268|http://www.mahablog....tml#1108774005268]
Fact is, right now most political discourse in America, both Right and Left, is\ufffdall about how awful those other people are. There's not much energy left for anything else.\ufffdThis is not a liberal problem. It's an American problem.
...
We cannot "debate" anything any more. Lies are put on the table to be accepted or rejected, and if you reject them you are marginalized and ridiculed for having too much "nuance." That's the extent of our "national debate."
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Pretty well sums up the problem right there.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,254
2/17/05 6:23:52 PM
2/17/05 6:24:34 PM
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Watch my left hand while my right hand...
...jerks you off. OK, BeeP, exactly what did Condi "achieve" while "working" for Duh? So far, you list of "achievements" have been strictly academic, apparently occuring long before she could spell, "Can I kiss your ass, Mr. President?". Yet in your post, you bemoan: As I said, she's had the misfortune of acheiving this under GWBush... (And remember, you also said it earlier; no weaseling about, "No, I didn't actually say that...." So, tell me, BeeP, where's the achievement since Duh? Is that here name is a household word? Or that she has brown-nosed her way the 5th in line for the thronePresidency? Or that she ran a more qualified man (i.e. Colin Powell) out of office? Or is Todd actually right here? jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
Feb. 17, 2005, 06:24:34 PM EST
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