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New You're less coherent than usual in this post.
IMO.

As Todd points out below, rural areas have the same kinds of people that urban areas do. With the same problems.

Your third paragraph is a true-ism. Yes, if you want to kill a lot of people quickly, well you need a lot of people in a relatively small place.

Decentralization is the wave of the future. It's just a matter of getting that last mile problem completely licked. We'll still need port cities, but no one will have to live in them anymore. We'll just have waldoes for dockworkers.


You need to elaborate on that a bit. It sounds rather Pol Pot-ish to me.

What time frame are you talking about?

I think that for the forseeable future (say the next 20 years) cities will continue to grow, especially outside the US. In the vast majority of the world, the best way to increase one's income is to move from a rural area to a city. It's been that way for a long time, and I don't see it changing.

And who's going to build all the roads and airports and drive all the trucks to have the cities emptied? Who's going to build the power plants, put up the power lines, dig the sewer lines, etc., for this? Or do you imagine the population of cities simply disappearing?

I hope you're not imagining some [link|http://www.agclassroom.org/teacher/history/1820.htm|1820s agrarian utopia] or something. A time when 300 hours of labor was required to produce 100 bushels of wheat, when the US population was < 13 M...

Cheers,
Scott.
New Same people as build the roads and drive the trucks now.
Just in a different place. What's your objection, exactly?

If there's anything history teaches us, it's that things change. And we're due for a change. The trend in society these days is decentralization. All sorts of things - computing power, news reportage, publishing - that used to be in hands of natural monopolies or oligarchies are now becoming more democratic, thanks to the Internet. Big government and big business will continue to resist, but they can't hold out forever.

That last mile is the catch. There's simply more bandwidth some places than others, because to the more shortsighted decision makers, that makes too much seeming economic sense. Broadband upload speed is the chief bottleneck. I figure in 20 years, if some assholes ever nuke all our major metropoli, they'll kill a few dozen repairmen and destroy an awful lot of server farms. Mirrored servers in smaller cities will take over, but things will bog down on the `Net for a while. (And the companies that didn't have mirrored servers out yonder will be out of business.)

And then they'll finally lay down some OC-192 fiber in Hootin Holler. Expense is relative.

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New Government builds the roads. Teamsters drive the trucks.
New Won't happen.
Bosses like one thing: Asses in seats that they can walk over to and bust.

Decentralization will not happen until we can get around that cultural barrier.
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                 Actually no... - (Simon_Jester) - (13)
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                                 Perhaps... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
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