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Post #193,530 by Simon_Jester 2/7/05 11:12:47 PM Reply	<grin> I'm not sure that that's not doing something for you...indirectly. :-) As such an individual would lead to better government (and less corruption) which would (eventually) benefit you again, no?
Post #193,535 by ben_tilly 2/8/05 12:03:08 AM Reply	That would be a big stretch With enough work you can coerce any theory into your preconceptions. The better way to reach in this case is to note that it is a benefit to me for me to see things that I want to happen, happen. This, of course, pushes the problem down one level, and we're now left to wonder if people only want things of benefit to themselves. (The answer to which may depend on how we define "benefit".) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #193,754 by Simon_Jester 2/8/05 11:45:35 PM Reply	Perhaps... but I guess I don't look at the situation as a us-vs-them approach whereas they are evil (or greedy) and we're wholesome (and perhaps stupid. ;-)). Each group works toward their own self-interest to some degree and to their vision for the country. I'm not about to claim their vision is evil as I believe that is intellectually dishonest. I do have lots of problems with their vision for the country, for a variety of reasons, and am more than willing to point those out. But I won't be dishonest with myself to claim that I'm not working toward my own vision and my own self-interests. Back to the original post (to tie it all back together again), I don't agree with Bush's tactics for cutting subsidies to the farmers will bring lower food prices to Americans (or that it's beneficial to our farmers). I do agree with Jay that tariffs are a better solution than subsides. And yes, I think (as a liberal) that if you voted for Bush and are now getting nailed by his polities, you're getting what you deserve and have no right to complain.

Red State Farmers - how do you like your choice now? - (tuberculosis) - (42) - Feb. 5, 2005, 12:24:36 AM EST

Not everybody's vote can be bought. - (marlowe) - (41) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:26:47 PM EST

Is there a DisneyLand in your universe too? -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 7, 2005, 03:07:41 AM EST

Ah, so we're back to the 'noble savage' paradigm . . . -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Feb. 7, 2005, 03:36:54 AM EST

Savage, no. Noble, yes. - (marlowe) - (4) - Feb. 8, 2005, 08:28:20 PM EST

You're less coherent than usual in this post. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Feb. 8, 2005, 09:48:54 PM EST

Same people as build the roads and drive the trucks now. - (marlowe) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2005, 06:42:55 PM EST

Government builds the roads. Teamsters drive the trucks. -NT - (ChrisR) - Feb. 10, 2005, 06:49:49 PM EST

Won't happen. - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 11, 2005, 02:16:06 PM EST

Right and wrong - (JayMehaffey) - (14) - Feb. 7, 2005, 11:09:16 AM EST

Actually no... - (Simon_Jester) - (13) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:10:46 PM EST

Re: Actually no... - (JayMehaffey) - (12) - Feb. 7, 2005, 03:44:36 PM EST

s/shrug/idiots/ - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 7, 2005, 03:57:57 PM EST

I guess what I was trying to say... - (Simon_Jester) - (10) - Feb. 7, 2005, 04:06:25 PM EST

And you're wrong on that - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Feb. 7, 2005, 04:28:34 PM EST

<grin> I'm not sure that that's not - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2005, 11:12:47 PM EST

That would be a big stretch - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2005, 12:03:08 AM EST

Perhaps... - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 8, 2005, 11:45:35 PM EST

B.S. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Feb. 8, 2005, 08:58:17 AM EST

You've just got a different definition of self-interest. :) - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2005, 11:12:34 AM EST

Naw, if that's what I was worried about. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 8, 2005, 12:11:41 PM EST

Perhaps... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Feb. 9, 2005, 12:20:05 AM EST

But the politicians salaries are NEVER on the block. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 9, 2005, 02:21:05 PM EST

Nah, not for you... TO you. -NT - (jake123) - Feb. 8, 2005, 10:38:10 AM EST

Which is why Bush brought it during his campaign... - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:01:11 PM EST

Transcending your urban roots, eh? - (tuberculosis) - (12) - Feb. 8, 2005, 09:27:16 PM EST

Once again, you get it all backwards. - (marlowe) - (11) - Feb. 10, 2005, 06:25:11 PM EST

Re: Once again, you get it all backwards. - (tuberculosis) - (10) - Feb. 11, 2005, 02:01:00 PM EST

Condi's competence isnt in question, its her motives -NT - (daemon) - (9) - Feb. 11, 2005, 10:34:18 PM EST

As NSA - she wasn't exactly on the ball in summer 2001 - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Feb. 14, 2005, 02:50:21 PM EST

GIVE IT A FREAKIN BREAK!!! - (daemon) - (7) - Feb. 14, 2005, 08:58:16 PM EST

Stop it. - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2005, 09:18:23 PM EST

I can forgive missing the jet attacks - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 15, 2005, 01:20:14 AM EST

I believe we said the same thing about Clinton... - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:11:44 AM EST

GIVE IT A FREAKIN BREAK YERSELF!!! - (jb4) - (3) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:32:57 PM EST

They didn't use box cutters. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 17, 2005, 07:56:44 PM EST

Two points.... - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 18, 2005, 10:16:43 AM EST

You're Welcome! ;-) -NT - (jb4) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:57:03 PM EST

Having grown up on farms . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Feb. 8, 2005, 09:58:58 PM EST

You must have been going to the county seat. - (jbrabeck) - (3) - Feb. 9, 2005, 12:54:15 PM EST

Actually, it wasn't quite that bad. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 9, 2005, 08:59:37 PM EST

Montana - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Feb. 9, 2005, 10:26:13 PM EST

Yeah, as thy used to say, 'Better dead than red' -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 9, 2005, 10:36:15 PM EST

I guess you can't gargle with it.
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