Post #18,471
11/15/01 6:48:37 PM
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To continue in that vein, "impact"...
...is usually singular and equipped with the definite article in this context, isn't it?
"This doesn't directly affect free software, but it does have an impact on all culture", like?
Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #18,475
11/15/01 7:04:25 PM
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Heard a new mangling of language today.
Received an email from Someone Fairly Important thanking someone because he able to 'vision our business'.
But as the saying goes... in English, any word can be verbed...
On and on and on and on,
and on and on and on goes John.
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Post #18,491
11/15/01 8:41:02 PM
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Quote from Calvin and Hobbes.
"Eventually we can make language a complete impediment to understanding".
LRPDism material, perhaps?
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #18,508
11/16/01 12:02:15 AM
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Hmmm Wattersen read some Sufi aphorisms (?)
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Language was invented that men might disguise their thoughts from each other
(Hinting at a prior time of more subtle and truthful communications = Optional)
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Post #18,509
11/16/01 12:47:34 AM
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No idea.
Calvin was inventing words for no discernable reason (other than he could). His Dad didn't care but riposted with vogue but useless words from his own youth. Calvin, of course, wasn't listening. The quote is a final remark from Hobbes.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #18,520
11/16/01 5:49:06 AM
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If that's your reading of the ripostes in Calvin & Hobbes..
I'd suggest rereading Mr. Calvin and Mr. Hobbes for the encrypted key. (or for that matter Peanuts -- even if Schultz would always answer the Q about 'what you really meant?' as ~ nahh.. they're just cute things kids say.. ;-)
I doubt there was an 'accidental' quip in any C&H. Ditto but with increasing fluff after a decade or three - for Schultz.
Just my take. Social satire isn't too hard to spot, especially when it's sublime.
A.
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Post #18,527
11/16/01 7:58:02 AM
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... it was entirely from memory.
I'm sorry, but I wasn't trying to read anything into or out of that particular strip. I was merely repeating what it said because the final line from Hobbes was, I thought, relevant to the discussion. That's all.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #18,603
11/16/01 8:53:37 PM
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Not a problem..
Your comment merely recalled for me an enigma of years past: when Schultz would never 'admit' that (even the most acutely insightful of) the 'words' in the balloons were merely.. "clever stuff kids say". 'We' didn't quite believe him, not often seeing kids That cute.
But I believe that Watterson has never er 'denied' that his is at root, a real Calvin (the theologian) VS Hobbes (the mechanistic philosopher) ongoing dialogue. There may even be some words of his out there someplace re that theme, as I only vaguely recall..
That's all :-)
Ashton
In Murica - 'comics' be our only public philosophy exercise - and nowadays, only reliable source of unvarnished 'news' commentary, too :[
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Post #18,624
11/17/01 10:29:40 AM
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Re: 'comics' be our only public philosophy exercise
In Murica - 'comics' be our only public philosophy exercise - and nowadays, only reliable source of unvarnished 'news' commentary, too :[
This is probably true, and I expect that this will become more so rather than less as time goes on. Television has conditioned the vast majority (probably two thirds to three quarters, not the 37% needed for an election) of our population to expect news in 15 second bites accompanied by a talking head to tell them what it meant.
If one is to try to raise consciousness about the environment, any political activity, or virtually anything meaningful, the response is generally going to be a quick classification (liberal/conservative/bunnyhugger/propeller head...) and dismissal or villification.
If one is to report news as a complex issue, spending the time to explain the background, issues from all sides, and possible consequenses, the mainstream tv watcher is likely to start flipping stations until a laugh-track or tits show up.
The germ of ideas can be planted with comics. Thoughts can be instilled in the general populace by a talented artist(think Berke Breathed or Bill Watterson) without the artist being pilloried for treason. At worst the artist can fall back to "It's just a freaking comic... Don't have a cow, man". Publish a paper critical of government or political people/processes on the internet, and you might have the Fumbling Bumbling Imbeciles breathing down your neck. Publish a comic in hundreds of news papers saying the same thing, the president will probaly read it while eating his Wheaties, and you are still pretty much safe. It's just a comic, man...
According to the CIA "[link|http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html"|http://www.cia.gov/...eos/us.html"] *, 97% of our population over 15 is literate. How many of these do you suppose can/would read a scholarly paper on abstract philosophy, or political issues that don't effect them at the moment? A glance at comic for a few moments gets them a chuckle or an "oh crap", and the germ of a political/philosophical position.
Instant gratification with little effort, and the purpetrator is virtually invulnerable. It's the way of the future!
I wish I was kidding,
Hugh
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Post #18,630
11/17/01 12:42:32 PM
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Bug in board software
I noticed that before, you have to put "href" in lower case for it to work.
Jay
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Post #18,641
11/17/01 3:10:39 PM
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Thanks...
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Post #18,649
11/17/01 5:24:09 PM
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My sentiments perzackly.. Comics are our last bastion.
And.. to do that Well: deserves IMhO as much recognition as to a Kafka, an Orwell (including Farley's Orwell T. Catt :-\ufffd). I'd (really) like to see a Nobel or at least a Pulitzer for: COMICS.
I can't improve on your capsule summary - it possesses both 'scale and relativity' (as the Sages say!) IF.. we ever start seeing censored comics, wholesale Fundamentalist (and other signifiable pressure groups - as protest out of all proportion to numerical bloc) achieving their aims; ie if Comics fail - that will be the last.. minute source of fresh air in this increasingly Fearful thus Authoritarian society.
As with HUAC, SISS - I Will be out on Those barricades.
(Odds Bodkins in the '70s, and several others: were the Tom Paines of their time.) I really *miss* Calvin & Hobbes, though his material was Timeless anyway.. Others are more wont to weave-in current events.
Non Sequitur Lives (so far). And he gets Quite political in his lampoons, every time. We need More COMICS! as our historically-ignorant and pampered culture is forced to face the philosophical consequences (always there, just ignored) of our worldwide hegemony. Oh.. and what greed might actually mean, in the end. Christians got That one right :-\ufffd
{sigh}
Ashton
PS - as to numbers. Read/write 'Literacy' is only a useful tool for those with continuing Interest (large I) in educating self. We settle (95.238% ;-) for amusement, inane passive infotainment. Hard to measure the effects of that - numbers are such crude crutches.. thus we Love stats on Everything.
[old refrain]
..especially Economics, our Achilles Heel.
[/refrain]
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Post #19,191
11/21/01 9:09:57 PM
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Ghod, no!
No Nobels, no Pulitzers. Those would be insults. At best, they would blow the cover.
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"You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
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Post #19,195
11/21/01 9:37:19 PM
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Hmmm.. yer right! Recognize --> Homogenize--> Assimilate! :[
My badness.
What was I *thinking* ??
In atonement, will disassemble at least three machines and scatter their parts in a Senatorial Caucus, near the gizzard. :(
A. Ssshhh
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Post #18,776
11/19/01 11:48:37 AM
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I wonder.
Hugh N writes: The germ of ideas can be planted with comics. Thoughts can be instilled in the general populace by a talented artist(think Berke Breathed or Bill Watterson) without the artist being pilloried for treason. At worst the artist can fall back to "It's just a freaking comic... Don't have a cow, man". Publish a paper critical of government or political people/processes on the internet, and you might have the Fumbling Bumbling Imbeciles breathing down your neck. Publish a comic in hundreds of news papers saying the same thing, the president will probaly read it while eating his Wheaties, and you are still pretty much safe. It's just a comic, man... Hmm... I wonder which line, "Thoughts can be instilled" or "It's just a comic, man" the creator of [link|http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.htm|The Boondocks] would have to fall back on -- even here, with this self-professedly rather cerebral group? Wanna bet against my hunch that several among us will lose their sense of perspective (ironosadly, precisely what he's trying to restore), and start frothing at the mouth a little, at the strips for, say [link|http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.cfm?uc_fn=1&uc_full_date=20011004|October fourth], [link|http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.cfm?uc_fn=1&uc_full_date=20011005|October fifth], or [link|http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.cfm?uc_fn=1&uc_full_date=20011006|October sixth]? Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #18,856
11/19/01 6:05:18 PM
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I would suppose both...
For those that appreciate, though perhaps not necessarily enjoy, the former. For those with no sense of humor or irony, it's just a freaking comic, man... I wouldn't think too many of the latter, around here, but WTF do I know?
Regards,
Hugh
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Post #18,909
11/20/01 1:36:14 AM
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Legitimate copout?
See Drook's virtuoso quip in Oh Pun:
A sufficiency unto itself: to turn out legions of former infotainers.. to walk the streets behind shopping carts, laden with unused Owl entrails.. with only their murky crystal balls for company -
O O
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