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A more comprehensive try than I can manage, but nicely free of the 'velocity of money' and the other Econ math abstractions via which a lot of this groundwork was laid, emphasizing only ONE variable to be maximized: Max dollars/second gotten (one could never call it earned).

I'd disagree with your placing Walmart - a place I boycott permanently for a litany of reasons, many documentable - next to the older once, maybe still? respectable JC Penney's. It's 'cheapness' is maybe relative to more honestly-produced goods in other stores here, but the Lion's share goes to the 5% Corp Rulers, not much to employees -- and obscenely little to the exploited permanently 3rd-world places it runs - as surely as if elected despot (it owns the local despots via its power to enforce starvation wages on the despots' subjects - or move to a nearby equivalent).

IMhO - every day that a Sam Walton retains the power to corrupt, which his $ represents: his wilfulness alone creates millions more people in nearby countries who - despise us and every place our actions trump our Sentimentality. Ditto other Billionaires = that is power to corrupt thousands. But I can't think of one as toxic as Walton, offfhand.

Dunno how one might plot an escape from an entire bizness culture predicated upon the root idea: Persistent lying / marketing is OK. And that greed is Good (that is - personal aggrandizement with no thought to there being other people: a 'society' too).

YAN list of areas merely patched together today, needing massive rethinking and new models:

Corporate hegemony - growing; buying all the representatives, making votes irrelevant after Corp-selection of candidates. Ergo, accelerating concentration of the wealth among fewer. Recursive.

More monopolies rather than fewer. Mergers to that end.

Information: Corp-ownership by fewer and fewer, of most media - newspapers down to One in most *Big* cities. Web? - for how long un-locked?

Infrastructure (water supplies, bridges, school buildings, medicine (across all scales) HMO even as a concept: Corporate again! Your money or your life - now literal.

Prisons = 'Drug Wars' = Prohibition deja vu; now being 'privatized' = Corporate again. 3-strikes: computers, not Judges.

Language has indeed become corrupted by the daily barrage, the incessant lies of commerce selling.. selling.. and the consequences appear very like that which Confucious warned about, in his little homily concluding -

IF (language becomes corrupted)... then Justice will go astray. If this happens the people will stand about in helpless confusion. Hence it matters above all else, that language be correct.

How does a culture on a 24/7 treadmill merely to push papers and do imaginary 'projects' - learn how to do actual work, reform its corrupt Politico-Economic scam, return dignity to its working majority -- all At Once! ??

And that would be necessary just to begin our rehabilitation. That's a good word rehabilitation: restoring the entire country (including cities!) as places a sane person would actually want to inhabit! (given an actual choice).

I have no idea how we might begin; or if many will even try. I wish luck to the sane or wannabe-sane folk; death to the forces opposing sanity and thinking only of new means for ripping-off the labor and lives of the many. We know where that trend always peaks.

Hercules' task was merely, cleaning the Augean Stables. He accomplished that by diverting a river! Ours is a much larger variety of stables to be cleaned and rebuilt. Have we left - enough people with the guts, (also historical knowledge) the will and tenacity - even to begin?



Ashton
New Transactions vs. Relationships
Our collective thinking has to shift from valuing "things" to valuing "people".

Relationships instead of transactions. I'll give some examples. I go into Home Depot and it's very hard to find help. Last time I was there, I was looking for a gas starter pipe for my fireplace, and when I finally found someone, they walked me to the "fireplace section", where I had already been for 30 minutes, looking for my item. When I told them that what I was looking for wasn't there, they wanted to call someone else, who I waiting for about 4 minutes, then decided I was done looking.

Contrast that with our local ACE hardware store in Greenville. I go in a few weeks ago to buy some bolts that we'll be using to secure a server rack to the floor, and the guy not only advises me on the right bolts, but makes sure I have the right anchors for the concrete, too. All told, I spend less than $5 on the transaction, but I got to know the person. I've been back several times, and the same person always is there to help me. The last 2-3 times were really easy, because he already knew who I was, and what I was trying to do.

Everything in this country has become about "transactions". Buying, selling, and gambling. Maximizing the return on investment far outweighs the value of people. Bigger stores, more dollar volumes, more inventory.

At the risk of getting this posting moved to the religious forum, I think the core problem is that we don't care about people anymore, just stuff, and it shows in our country. Jesus taught us to "love our neighbors as ourselves", and then told the story of the Good Samaritan when someone asked who a "neighbor" is.

So, as an add-on to my rant, we really need to start caring about each other, and not so much about the next dollar.
Glen Austin
New Amen to that.
(Got no quarrel with Jesus's material - just.. some of his followers can prove to be rather wearing)

Seconded overall. So long as mindless acquisition of things, not merely to some sense of 'adequacy' but endlessly - causes the major institutions to treat employees as expendable 'production machinery' / overhead, we'll continue to decline.

People aren't stupid, though many are inarticulate and many haven't quite put finger on the [hole] in life we have created by our insatiable collecting. The 24/7 artificial activity certainly creates the noise which interferes with joining forces around this message and - beginning to dismantle the robot machine.

I hope we make it.. the $ now permeates every facet of life - expect a meter in pews next. We have to somehow develop enough discrimination to realize, pretty soon - that just because we Can make something, maybe we shouldn't. And.. some things simply should not have price tags.

(Maybe the Big-irony is - actual human experience is 'permanent' and also can't be er repossessed. It is intangible and utterly unmeasurable. All the 'measurable', countable stuff: is the illusion ;-)

Nobody said it was EZ..



Ashton
     New It Opportunities? - (gdaustin) - (30)
         Hope you're wrong - (wharris2) - (29)
             25%+ Unemployment - (gdaustin) - (28)
                 re: Deep Recessions - (tablizer) - (6)
                     Already are Printing Money - (gdaustin) - (5)
                         One issue with that theory - (kmself) - (4)
                             A question - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                 No clue? Neither do economists - (tablizer)
                                 Part of an answer - (kmself) - (1)
                                     Muchas Grazie - (pwhysall)
                 We got screwed - (orion) - (20)
                     What did this have to do with Clinton OR Bush? -NT - (admin) - (19)
                         Its the economy - (orion) - (18)
                             Re: Its the economy - (admin) - (17)
                                 Who is fiscually responsible then? - (orion) - (16)
                                     Sorry having a bad day - (orion) - (15)
                                         Try.. Corp Greed + ovine 'consumerism' as feeds it (?) -NT - (Ashton) - (14)
                                             I can believe that - (orion)
                                             Try Again? - (gdaustin) - (12)
                                                 Right on - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                                     On NAFTA and MFN - (drewk)
                                                 Can I send this out to some of my friends? - (Silverlock) - (6)
                                                     It depends on who your friends are... - (gdaustin) - (5)
                                                         Hmmm. - (Silverlock) - (4)
                                                             Re: Hmmm. - (gdaustin) - (3)
                                                                 You got it. - (Silverlock) - (2)
                                                                     BTW: CBOC is actually CBOE - (gdaustin) - (1)
                                                                         I've always wondered...... - (Silverlock)
                                                 A couple of items.. - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                     Transactions vs. Relationships - (gdaustin) - (1)
                                                         Amen to that. - (Ashton)

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