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New 'Ask the Pilot' re Terrorism, tweezers and terminal madness
[link|http://www.salon.com/tech/books/2004/06/01/patrick_smith_excerpt/| Salon].
Some thoughts about the absurdity of too much security. An excerpt from "Ask the Pilot: Everything You Need to Know About Air Travel."

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By Patrick Smith

June 1, 2004 | On a Sunday morning I'm catching Malaysia Airlines flight MH091 from Newark to Dubai, and eventually onward to Kuala Lumpur. Newark, now cloyingly recast as Liberty International Airport, is forever the same old bowl of concrete and cars. In a cheerless restaurant in Terminal B I'm eating breakfast beneath framed pictures of sandwiches when the Malaysia crew comes promenading past, headed for their Boeing 777 at the end of the concourse -- the pilots in sharply cut, military-style suits, the stewards in green tuxedoes, the girls in sarong-style dresses of melon and teal.

At the surrounding tables are the rest of Flight 91's eventual occupants, and present company excluded it's a substantially... let's just say Eastern-looking lot -- A mix of Arab and Malay and Indian, with a liberal distribution of skullcaps and prayer beads, and a handful of women in full black burqa right down to the gloves. It's all very glammy and international here in decidedly working class Newark. I like it, even if it's probably a disconcerting sight for the throngs headed to Detroit and Charlotte, with enough dark skin and beards to keep many Americans away from airports forever and hunkered down in their xenophobic hidey-holes. And while I hate saying it, something tells me MH091 gives a thrice-weekly dose of the willies to the already edgy screeners down at security...

. . .

After standing in queue for fifteen minutes I approach the metal detectors, where a screener greets me good morning. She is wearing paramilitary-style uniform complete with shoulder braids, combat boots and a beret. Across her back it says SECURITY in heavy gold lettering. This is supposed to look and feel like the ordered confidence you'd encounter in Europe or Asia. But the too-sharp creases in the pantlegs, the snapping gum and the glossy lipstick, all expose the phoniness and desperation of the scene. These aren't even the trappings of a third world state -- something you'd see at the airport in Quito or Entebbe. They're a carnival imitation of those places, with uniforms straight from an old Monty Python wardrobe.

. . .

The preoccupation with Weapons of Mass Distraction gets back to a stubborn fixation with the September 11th template, assuming any sequel is bound to unfurl around a do-it-yourself arsenal similar to that used by the original 19 skyjackers. Terrorists, the intercepted messages and payrolled tipsters inform us, are again targeting airliners. But while I don't know exactly what an al-Qaida operative might have in store, I'm skeptical of one thing, which is the likelihood of another suicide skyjacking. The skyjack model, it's critical to note, is forever changed, as never again will anybody believe a purloined plane is headed to Havana, Beirut, or anywhere but into the side of a building. I can't imagine anybody making it two steps up the aisle, to say nothing of into the cockpit, with less than a bucket of pinless grenades balanced on his head.
'Course he's just a pilot, WTF do he know..
New NO, NO, NO!
They're going to use "small GA aircraft" next time. Honest. I heard it from the Gestapo Department of Homeland Security myself. We need to watch those little guys in those little airplanes... hey, wait a minute. That's me!
bcnu,
Mikem

If you can read this, you are not the President.
New Imagine what a Cessna.. filled with
1000 pressurized cans of Cheez-Wiz\ufffd could do to the pompous fa\ufffdade of the latest [Oil]-skyscraper - -

{ugh}

Creamy yellow-orange Goodness drippin down the sides

...



Laughter they fear as much as satire, in Fatherland Geheime Security


Now dya see why they Fearz Younses?
New Oh no! Not Weapons of Mass Dyspepsia! Ewww...
New Look, I ate something earlier
and I'm telling you, I should definitely be brought up on chemical weapons charges.

I've managed to clear the kitchen twice so far this evening.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Scenario: "CESSNA USED BY TERRORISTS IN ATTACK"
"The scene"
Cameras focus on a little Cessna plane flying through big city canyons.
Commentator gasping each word as he describes the jerky path of the plane.

Plane eventually lines up on big city skyscraper & charges it full bore.

World watching prime time ...

Plane engine noise fills the airwaves courtesy of long range digital microphones ...

Folk in the targetted building look out to see the looming craft hurtling toward their monument to modern capitalism ...

Plane closees in ...

All look on anxiously ...

Some hide their eyes as the impending disaster looms ...

Closer, closer, closer ...

Then one big 'SPLAT' & puf of burnt fuel & the cessna crunches to a halt embedded in a small hole in the building. The pilot is mincemeat. Building barely shook. Couple of windows break. Biggest number of deaths outside the plane are the heart attack victims.

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Well it has actually happened before somewhat like the above - lets see who can recall the event.

Doug M :-)
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"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!".

-- Leonardo Da Vinci
Expand Edited by dmarker June 4, 2004, 06:35:58 AM EDT
New Well, there was one in Florida I believe . .
. . just a little after 9/11. Some kid.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Tampa, FL; some gutter-press head-quarters, IIRC.
New 1/2 right
"some gutter-press head-quarters" was the anthrax at the other end in Boca Ratob, the plane was in the Bank Building to me in Tampa, Say one building away from two terror attacks, wonder what the odds are. Better not move to NYC.
thanx,
bill
Anchorage AK: House for sale 3 bed 1 bath 1440 sq feet huge lot near Cheney Lake 175K 813.273.3518

Time for Lord Stanley to get a Tan
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New I was thinking of Flor event but it seems there are many .

[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1744923.stm|http://news.bbc.co.u...ricas/1744923.stm] -- Florida crash

[link|http://www.propagandamatrix.com/milan.html|http://www.propagand...ix.com/milan.html] -- Milan Italy crash

[link|http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/07/1054700446713.html|http://www.smh.com.a...054700446713.html] -- L.A. crash

Doug M



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"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!".

-- Leonardo Da Vinci
New Keep looking, you'll (unfortunately) find more like #3.
The thing that lead to the accident in LA (the one that hit the apartment building) is the most common cause of VFR accidents. It's officially known as "continued flight into IMC under VFR". Basically, it's when a VFR-only (Visual Flight Rules only) pilot flies into IMC (Instrument Meterologic Conditions). IOW, a pilot who is only certificated to fly by visual references gets into weather where the visual references disappear and you have to fly "by Instruments". To legally fly under IFR (instrument flight rules) requires additional training and additional equipment on the airplane (although my guess is that the Beech probably had all the necessary equipment - just a pilot who didn't know how to use it).

The other contributing factor was what pilots call "get there-itis". Apparently this guy was trying to get one person to Las Vegas and two more to Sun Valley, Idaho. They'd apparently been waiting at the airport for about 8 hours for the weather to improve. The guy got three different weather briefings and decided to try to "pop through" the clouds against the recommendation of Flight Service. VFR Pilot are supposed to stay 500 feet below clouds, 1000 feet above them and maintain 2000 feet horizontal separation. This guy took off, got into the clouds, either didn't trust his instruments, the instruments failed or he tried to "feel" his way through the clouds. In short, he violated the law and all of his training by entering clouds and stalled the plane, entered a spin and didn't have enough altitude to make up for his mistakes.

This is not dissimilar to what JFK, Jr. did - in fact, it is almost identical to what he did.

Here's the NTSB report on the flight in LA:
[link|http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20030630X00971&key=1|http://www.ntsb.gov/...30630X00971&key=1]
bcnu,
Mikem

If you can read this, you are not the President.
New There was one in italy, too, iirc
and a pilot in Quebec managed to crash his plane in zero visibility conditions into a radio tower, of all things.

They had to demolish the tower to get his body.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Yup, in Milan (see link above)
_________________________________________________________

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!".

-- Leonardo Da Vinci
New Just to be the Debbil's advocate...
Let's modify the scene just a little bit (changes bolded)...
"The scene"
Cameras focus on a little Cessna plane flying through big city canyons.
Commentator gasping each word as he describes the jerky path of the plane.

Plane eventually lines up on big city skyscraper & charges it full bore.

World watching prime time ...

Plane engine noise fills the airwaves courtesy of long range digital microphones ...

Folk in the targetted building look out to see the looming craft hurtling toward their monument to modern capitalism ...

Plane closees in ...

All look on anxiously ...

Some hide their eyes as the impending disaster looms ...

Closer, closer, closer ...

Just before impact, the pilot, accompanied by frantic cries of "Allah akubar" (or some such unintelligible tommyrot) detonates a "fertilizer bomb" in which s/he has imbedded 30 or so spent fuel rods purloined from a Russian nucular [sic] reactor, and spirited into the country in the false back of a freight container...

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Yeah, it's far-fetched. Or maybe not, since the "administration" insists on fighting the last war and, for all its huffing and puffing about "security", doesn't seem too interested in trying to thwart this scenario.
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New The search on the way to Florida and back was quite OK
They did go through our carry-on bag by hands on the way back - that's because I put my camera in it. Complex patterns on screen == hand search. If I had that camera out, it would have been even easier.

Just because it's possible to circumvent the system, does not mean we should discard it. It may not stop or deter 10 out of 10 terrorists, but 9 out of 10 is OK and worth it.
--

Buy high, sell sober.
New That is not what is deterring them.
What the hijackers on 9/11 had that will never exist again is the airline policy to accommodate hijackers. That's gone now forever and it isn't coming back.
bcnu,
Mikem

If you can read this, you are not the President.
New But I think more than any airport vulnerabilities
-as always there will be-
As I heard suggested recently,

No longer will ANYONE believe, "we're hijacking this plane to [Cuba, Winnemucca ...]". Unless they have serious firepower and not just knives - nobody in an airplane anywhere in the world will ever again remain spam-in-a-can.

Memories (or imaginations will do as well) of the Pennsylvania crash will lend courage - swarm quickly and you might even get out alive.

So plugging THAT loophole over and over .. betrays the unimaginitive minds that an admin such as this one Would employ. Let's be "Conservative" and plan for the Last One.
New One major vulnerability remains.
Until we can transport ourselves to the airport in something less backward than an automobile, we remain in grave danger.

(I know, in the larger metro areas this is already possible, but in the even modestly rural areas, there is no alternative to late 19th/early 20th century technology [read: automobiles] for transportation).
bcnu,
Mikem

If you can read this, you are not the President.
New Re: One major vulnerability remains.
This is an excellent point. No reason you can't park far from the 'port and take a tram or some kind of people mover.
-drl
     'Ask the Pilot' re Terrorism, tweezers and terminal madness - (Ashton) - (18)
         NO, NO, NO! - (mmoffitt) - (12)
             Imagine what a Cessna.. filled with - (Ashton) - (11)
                 Oh no! Not Weapons of Mass Dyspepsia! Ewww... -NT - (hnick) - (1)
                     Look, I ate something earlier - (jake123)
                 Scenario: "CESSNA USED BY TERRORISTS IN ATTACK" - (dmarker) - (8)
                     Well, there was one in Florida I believe . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                         Tampa, FL; some gutter-press head-quarters, IIRC. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             1/2 right - (boxley)
                         I was thinking of Flor event but it seems there are many . - (dmarker) - (1)
                             Keep looking, you'll (unfortunately) find more like #3. - (mmoffitt)
                     There was one in italy, too, iirc - (jake123) - (1)
                         Yup, in Milan (see link above) -NT - (dmarker)
                     Just to be the Debbil's advocate... - (jb4)
         The search on the way to Florida and back was quite OK - (Arkadiy) - (4)
             That is not what is deterring them. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 But I think more than any airport vulnerabilities - (Ashton) - (2)
                     One major vulnerability remains. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Re: One major vulnerability remains. - (deSitter)

Don't touch that channel!
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