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New I believe it did - a personal anecdote
First some background.

I don't know much about Islam. But in graduate school my officemate was a muslim from Pakistan, and we talked a little. So what I know is heavily influenced by that.

His claim is that Islam is a faith which repeats time and time again the message that knowledge is valuable. Believers should seek to learn, and seek to understand. In fact he quoted the Koran as part of his inspiration for why he wanted to learn more about math, and he said that the reason why Islam preserved so much knowledge from Roman times was that it held knowledge to be valued.

It is true that there are branches of Islam today which believe that all which is worth knowing is in the Koran. However his belief is that those branches are false both to what the Koran says, and to the history of Islam. (And they are false in other ways as well. For instance Islam preaches that believers are to respect and protect other "believers in the book". This is a duty which is inconsistently followed.)

For more on the specifics of what we owe to Islam, [link|http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/woi_knowledge.html|this page] seems to have a decent summary.

Cheers,
Ben
New Surprised you didn't mention Al'Khwarizmi (~790-850 AD).
An Arab mathematician whose name is the source of the word algorithm. In 730 AD he wrote Al-jabr wa'l muqabalah, a treatise os solving quadratics. Al-jabr is where the word algebra comes from. His book about how the Hindus wrote down numbers (after later being translated to Latin) is why we call 0.1....9 Arabic numerals.
Alex

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
New Follow the link
I devoted my post to material and opinions that were not in it. :-)

Cheers,
Ben
New Indeed. I should have read more of the link.
May the manure of a thousand camels cover my grave. ;)
Alex

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Expand Edited by a6l6e6x Oct. 21, 2001, 11:46:08 PM EDT
New 3 to 1, 2, 1. Probability factor of 1 to 1
We have normality. I repeat, we have normality.

Anything you still can't cope with is therefor your own problem.

[link|http://193.15.117.36/~g736397/ram/hhgttg/px.ram|Please relax.]
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New ^^ This is irritating ^^
-drl
New If there had been enough time...
...I'm certain that the sperm whale would've come to the same conclusion.

Thud.
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     Pakistani revolution predicted - (bluke) - (29)
         Re: I'm lazy ... - (dmarker2)
         err the general in charge IS an Islamic fundamentalist? -NT - (boxley) - (27)
             Err . . apparently he doesn't go to the right mosque. - (Andrew Grygus) - (26)
                 Can't say that. - (addison) - (24)
                     Did this "Islamic Golden Age" ever extend . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (23)
                         We're on the boundaries of my knowledge. - (addison) - (3)
                             I'm no expert either, but I'd like to put that another way: - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                 But...but.... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                     Some stuff is so obvious, don't need to be Xpert to know it -NT - (CRConrad)
                         I believe it did - a personal anecdote - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                             Surprised you didn't mention Al'Khwarizmi (~790-850 AD). - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                                 Follow the link - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                     Indeed. I should have read more of the link. - (a6l6e6x) - (3)
                                         3 to 1, 2, 1. Probability factor of 1 to 1 - (bepatient) - (2)
                                             ^^ This is irritating ^^ -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                 If there had been enough time... - (bepatient)
                         Re: Addison is making sense - you are not winning this arg - (dmarker2) - (7)
                             But he is open to evidence. - (brettj) - (2)
                                 Interesting nugget - (boxley)
                                 Re: But he is open to evidence - yes - (dmarker2)
                             The point was deliberately inflamitory . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                 This is part of what made this thread interesting. - (brettj) - (1)
                                     Oh yeah? - (Silverlock)
                                 Are you sure - (cwbrenn)
                         Yup, AFAIK, it did. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                             So, then, what happened? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                 And when? - (wharris2)
                                 I am no scholar but... - (ben_tilly)
                 In that case, who the fsck CARES what they say?!? - (jb4)

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