Post #129,423
12/7/03 1:45:42 PM
12/7/03 1:59:13 PM
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you misunderstand
The various precincts of IWT are open to all, owls included. Anyone here is free at all times to piss into the chalice of his choice. I, for example, could wade into the Linux forum if I pleased and, with a bit of effort, contrive to dominate any topic. Mind, I know fuck-all about Linux, but that needn't stop a body—I'd just jump on one of my usual hobbyhorses and, tally-ho, we'd be off to the races, and a discussion that had initially turned on some subtle technical question would soon be dominated by rc's meditations on global politics, by irritated responses from techno-elitists who desired the discussion to remain on point, by rc's gratuitously snotty ripostes to these objections...why, in no time at all I could divert the thread from boring old Linux to an exciting brawl all about me me me, significantly, even decisively diluting the information content dedicated to the issue as originally raised. Of course, were I to adopt such practices I would forfeit the esteem of several of our most influential participants, and would cease to be the universally beloved character I am today. Accordingly I try to confine my contributions to realms in which I can plausibly claim at least marginal competence, and it is in part upon this pillar of magisterial restraint that my kindly, avuncular online persona crouches.
The proposed Owl Forum (echo here of Phyllis Schlafley's "Eagle Forum"?) should not be construed as a cage, my dear Brenda, but rather as a limitless expanse of last week's newspapers, endless acres on which all things owlish may be deposited for the delectation of connoisseurs. Your participation elsewhere would be, as now, utterly unfettered and even, should you elect not to morph the conversation into an encounter group dedicated to the contemplation of your (alas, far from compelling) personal issues, treated with respect commensurate with their relevance. Between the one-stop shopping this option offers your partisans and the pleasant prospect for the rest of us of looking in on the Water Cooler now and again to find a topic du jour with a bearing on something—anything—else, I think it's win-win all around.
cordially,
[edit: tiny, irritating typos]
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Edited by rcareaga
Dec. 7, 2003, 01:52:37 PM EST
you misunderstand
The various precincts of IWT are open to all, owls included. Anyone here is free at all times to piss into the chalice of his choice. I, for example, could wade into the Linux forum if I pleased and, with a bit of effort, contrive to dominate any topic. Mind, I know fuck-all about Linux, but that needn't stop a body—I'd just jump on one of my usual hobbyhorses and, tally-ho, we'd be off to the races, and a discussion that had initially turned on some subtle technical question would soon be dominated by rc's meditations on global politics, by irritated responses from techno-elitists who desired the discussion to remain on point, by rc's gratuitously snotty ripostes to these objections...why, in no time at all I could divert the thread from boring old Linux to an exciting brawl all about me me me, significantly, even decisively diluting the information content dedicated to the issue as originally raised. Of course, were I to adopt such practices I would forfeit the esteem of several of our most influential participants, and would cease to be the universally beloved character I am today. Accordingly I try to confine my contributions to realms in which I can plausibly claim at least marginal competence, and it is in part upon this pillar of magisterial restraint that my kindly, avuncular online persona crouches.
The proposed Owl Forum (echo here of Phyllis Schlafley's "Eage Forum"?) should not be construed as a cage, my dear Brenda, but rather as a limitless expanse of last week's newspapers, endless acres on which all things owlish may be deposited for the delectation of connoisseurs. Your participation elsewhere would be, as now, utterly unfettered and even, should you elect not to morph the conversation into an encounter group dedicated to the contemplation of your (alas, far from compelling) personal issues, treated with respect commensurate with their relevance. Between the one-stop shopping this option offers your partisans and the pleasant prospect for the rest of us of looking in on the Water Cooler now and again to find a topic ju jour with a bearing on something—anything—else, I think it's win-win all around.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Edited by rcareaga
Dec. 7, 2003, 01:59:13 PM EST
you misunderstand
The various precincts of IWT are open to all, owls included. Anyone here is free at all times to piss into the chalice of his choice. I, for example, could wade into the Linux forum if I pleased and, with a bit of effort, contrive to dominate any topic. Mind, I know fuck-all about Linux, but that needn't stop a body—I'd just jump on one of my usual hobbyhorses and, tally-ho, we'd be off to the races, and a discussion that had initially turned on some subtle technical question would soon be dominated by rc's meditations on global politics, by irritated responses from techno-elitists who desired the discussion to remain on point, by rc's gratuitously snotty ripostes to these objections...why, in no time at all I could divert the thread from boring old Linux to an exciting brawl all about me me me, significantly, even decisively diluting the information content dedicated to the issue as originally raised. Of course, were I to adopt such practices I would forfeit the esteem of several of our most influential participants, and would cease to be the universally beloved character I am today. Accordingly I try to confine my contributions to realms in which I can plausibly claim at least marginal competence, and it is in part upon this pillar of magisterial restraint that my kindly, avuncular online persona crouches.
The proposed Owl Forum (echo here of Phyllis Schlafley's "Eagle Forum"?) should not be construed as a cage, my dear Brenda, but rather as a limitless expanse of last week's newspapers, endless acres on which all things owlish may be deposited for the delectation of connoisseurs. Your participation elsewhere would be, as now, utterly unfettered and even, should you elect not to morph the conversation into an encounter group dedicated to the contemplation of your (alas, far from compelling) personal issues, treated with respect commensurate with their relevance. Between the one-stop shopping this option offers your partisans and the pleasant prospect for the rest of us of looking in on the Water Cooler now and again to find a topic ju jour with a bearing on something—anything—else, I think it's win-win all around.
cordially,
[edit: tiny typo]
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #129,426
12/7/03 2:18:51 PM
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Damn you, rcareaga, damn you all the way to Hell...!
...for beating me to the post! (Heh... Double-entendre not intended, but eerily apposite.)
(BTW: "kindly, avuncular online persona", eh? Hmm... But, yeah, "crouches" seems somehow oddly appropriate. So, along the roof-edges of old cathedrals, do the [other] gargoyles.)
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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Post #129,439
12/7/03 3:38:17 PM
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crouching codger, hidden gargoyle
It is always gratifying, CR, to have one of these carefully buried truffles unearthed.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #129,442
12/7/03 3:46:37 PM
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Thanks a lot - I think NOT! Oh well, at least we know...
...what to call you, from now on: "Hey, look, it's Uncle Gargoyle!"
That's the least I can do, for so elegantly calling me a Schweinehund. (Is it the French who prefer the former [half of this Germanic Chimaera], and the Italians the latter, to assist them in the hunt for the "Black Gold of the Forest", or is it the other way around? I can never remember.)
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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Post #129,450
12/7/03 3:58:33 PM
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You're two for two
—and I knew I could rely on you, dear nephew, to accept the proferred goodie in the spirit of comradely japery with which it was chosen.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #129,468
12/7/03 5:36:08 PM
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Non! Non! Oh C of RC --
In (utterly gratuitous but WTF!) defense of Kindly Uncle Vanya.. my bones just tell me that, the truffle ref intimated merely your undoubted gastronomic acumen; the scrambled-eggs-with those icky-black delights surely often on your breakfast tray, sharing space with a tiny crystal goblet of the last of the d'Yqem from a previous soiree, no doubt attended by some visiting relative of Piet Hein (and perhaps, Edvard Munch's love-grandchild.)
(er Sorry.. must have been the Pynchon my bookworms ate in the basement storage bin + that famous bit of undigested liver.)
Hope all is well with the CRC-let and the prolonged eventide in your neck of the woods.. Envy. Real seasons.
Ashton
Part-time Soap Scripts LLC
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Post #129,481
12/7/03 6:51:26 PM
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Envy??? You can have 'em!!!
You *do* realise, I hope, that all the rest of us envy the Hell outta Linus, for getting to escape to the eternal Californian Summer?
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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Post #129,521
12/7/03 9:36:51 PM
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the four seasons of California
Fire. Earthquake. Mudslide. Riot.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #129,528
12/7/03 9:46:48 PM
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Didn't Mudslide win a Grammy for best new rap artist?
In Denver they used to say, Road Repair, Road Repair, Road Repair, and Winter.
-drl
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Post #129,428
12/7/03 2:28:30 PM
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Well to me it sounds like..
You're all belittling me, by wanting to make this Owl forum, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.
I think it would be smarter for me to learn the proper way you all want behavior in the forums for the most part, and for others also to adopt the concept of not reading my posts if they aren't interested.
Because I'm being honest here, I don't know for certain which posts would be considered "really having something to say" vs posts you all consider to be just about me. Sometimes people talk about themselves to contribute their experience to a thread that "really has something to say."
It honestly sounds pretty confusing.
Nightowl >8#
"The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be."
Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
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Post #129,453
12/7/03 4:12:58 PM
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Excuse me for being Dr. Phil here
but you seem to like him, so I thought I'd do what he would do and be brutually honest and cut right to the point.
What the others are saying about an Owl Forum is that they would rather you didn't rattle on about yourself so much and instead stick to the issues. That was something that I did as well. It got me put on the CSS TWIT files for some users here who didn't want to read it. What they are trying to say to you is to not make your posts personal, and instead stick to the topic and issues. They don't want to hear what your Councilor thinks, or what John thinks, or whatever happened to you in the past, they want to know what you think about the topic or issue without getting all personal about it. They would rather if you must go on about personal issues that you please do it in a different forum.
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but I didn't want them to beat around the bush so to speak and have someone directly say it to you. So I decided to play "Dr. Phil" for a post and give you the version of what I think they are trying to say.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #129,484
12/7/03 6:59:32 PM
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Re: Excuse me for being Dr. Phil here
I pretty much gathered that after all the posts and after a lot of gleaning from different ones here and there the same concept. But all they had to do was ask me to stop, not trash me. No offense taken, straight talk is ALWAYS welcomed.
Nightowl >8#
"The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be."
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