Post #12,344
10/8/01 7:36:18 PM
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Register: RIAA's secret meeting, more content restrictions
[link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/22087.html|Music biz wants tougher DMCA, CPRM 2 to protect copyright] By Tony Smith
Posted: 08/10/2001 at 11:08 GMT
The music industry and its hired muscle, the Recording Industry Ass. of America, plans to step up its war against MP3 file sharing and CD ripping with campaigns targeting legal, technological and Internet access fronts, The Register has learned.
Last week, the RIAA hosted a secret meeting in Washington DC with the heads of major record labels and technology companies, plus leaders of other trade bodies and even members of the US senate.
Present, we are told by sources close to the RIAA, were Intel's Andy Grove; IBM's Lou Gerstner; Disney's Michael Eisner; Jack Valenti, head of the Motion Picture Ass. of America; International Federation of the Phonographic Industry chief Jay Berman; Vivendi Universal's Edgar Bronfman; AOL Time-Warner's Gerald Levin; EMI's Ken Berry; Sony's Steve Heckler; and from Bertelsmann, Strauss Zelnick.
Also present were the CEOs of Matsushita and Toshiba, and senators Fritz Hollings and Ted Stevens.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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Post #12,348
10/8/01 9:08:48 PM
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Re: Register: RIAA's secret meeting...
There is no stopping free music
The worst they can do is force people to put an analog step in beteween the CD audio and the mp3 (or whatever format) audio
should do wonders for the sale of cassette decks
A
Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy
Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET
All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM
Reggae, African and Caribbean Music
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Post #12,363
10/8/01 10:34:23 PM
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Why am I reminded
of a passage in Harlan Ellison's _The Glass Teat_, in which he describes his attendance at a major public function in a football stadium. Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew (IIRC) appeared together on the field, and he began screaming prayers to some Deity, any Deity, to provide him a Bell Huey Cobra with a full load of ammo...
Regards,
Ric
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Post #12,386
10/9/01 3:03:01 AM
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The real story: What Gerstner said.
Smith was silent on that subject. Enquiring minds want to know.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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Post #12,394
10/9/01 6:08:23 AM
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Cryptome: Secret RIAA meeting. Notes
[link|http://cryptome.org/riaa-secret.htm|[link|http://cryptome.org/riaa-secret.htm|http://cryptome.org/riaa-secret.htm]] SECRET RIAA MEETING
By Anonymous
On Thursday [October 4] there was a closed-door meeting at the
Ritz-Carlton, which was "a direction setting" meeting. The individuals of
note attending were:
Hillary Rosen - RIAA Chief
Steve Heckler - Sony Music
Strauss Zelnick - BMG
Edgar Bronfman - Universal
Gerald Levin - AOL Time-Warner
Ken Berry - EMI
Leonardo Chiariaglione - SDMI Chair (Leaving Soon)
Francis Jones - Codex Data Systems
Fritz Hollings - Senator
Ted Stevens - Senator
Michael Eisner - Disney CEO
Jack Valenti - President, MPAA
Andy Grove - Intel CEO
Lou Gerstner - IBM
Yoishi Morishita - CEO Matsushita
Tsutomo Kawata - CEO Toshiba
Jay Berman - IFPI Chair
Paul England - Microsoft Advanced Cryptography research group
The meeting began this morning at 9 AM with a keynote from Hillary Rosen,
the topic being digital rights management and stopping internet piracy.
Much of the topic of the topic was relating to the pending lawsuit againts
fastrack, grokster, musiccity, and kazaa.
Some notable excerpts of her keynote include:
"The new generation of rogue file sharing applications have set a disturbing
precedent. The encryption technology used is clearly aimed at thwarting
our anti-piracy operations. We must go after the parties involved,
and force them to give up their encryption keys so our anti-piracy operations
can begin reporting those who infringe upon our works to their internetservice
providers"
"We will develop whatever technologies necessary to make our music pirate
proof, so legitimate services can flourish online. Recent trials of
four anti-rip technologies have been extremely encouraging, as no one has
been able to circumvent them".
"We will work with our friends in Washington to develop tough new laws that
go after the hackers, and file sharers themselves. Such is the aim
of proposed new legislation under the Security Systems Standardization act
developed by our friends present here today."
"We are working with sound card manufacturers to implement technology that
will block the recording of watermarked content in both digital and analog
form."
The reference here is to the 4C verance watermark that the RIAA will require.
"The industry has spent over one hundred million dollars in research and
development to develop technologies to stop piracy of our member's works."
"We must work together with computer manufacturers to find ways to block
the spread of legacy content."
"The failure of the CPRM specification to be applied to computer hard drives
was a giant step back for the publishing, music, and entertainment industry,
and we will work to develop a new specification that accomplishes what CPRM
would have done."
"The drop in CD sales can be directly attributed to the new generation of
file swapping services. Because of their de-centralized nature, it
is impossible to determine whether usage has surpassed that of Napster at
its heyday."
"We must ask that the safeharbor provision of the DMCA be removed.
Because of the magnitude of the problem, Internet service providers can no
longer be shielded from the wrath of the law."
"Once we stem piracy, we will be able to raise prices in order to regain
lost profits from piracy."
After the keynote, there was a symposium. Notable things brought up:
Universal will be using Key 2 Audio on all CD's sold starting in Q2 2002.
AOL Time Warner has said they will begin to experiment with Safe Audio and
Cactus Data Shield, and implement copy protections on all its CD's in Q3
2002.
Sony's Heckler stated that, "Once consumers can no longer get free music,
they will have to buy the music in the formats we choose to put out."
Disney's Eisner stated, "Privacy laws are our biggest impediment to us obtaining
our objectives."
Gerald Levin stated, "There has been an unconfirmed break in the DVD audio
encryption scheme in Russia. We cannot ignore this threat, as DVD Audio
represents the future of this company. We will have to be vigilant,
and prosecute anyone who posts a program or source code to defeat CPPM in
an extremely expeditious manner."
Paul England stated, "By tweaking hardware slightly, we can stem content
piracy by making software attacks a thing of the past."
One particularly disturbing fact is that Codex Data System's
[link|http://cryptome.org/dirty-secrets2.htm|DIRT] software is supposed
to be restricted to law enforcement agencies, yet the RIAA, MPAA, and IFPI
have all purchased it, and use it routinely to monitor servers which are
suspected of infringing content, yet are password protected such as servers
which require one to sign up for a password account like hotline servers
that have no guest download. --
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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Post #12,429
10/9/01 11:40:30 AM
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"You just keep thinkin' Butch...that's what you're good at"
"We will develop whatever technologies necessary to make our music pirate proof, so legitimate services can flourish online. Recent trials of four anti-rip technologies have been extremely encouraging, as no one has been able to circumvent them". No one, that is, except the rapidly-becoming-legendary Ed Felton, who was able to defeat them all, but was not allowed to publish his results due to threats from the DCMA. So, just keep sticking yer damfool heads in the sand, RIAA fucks. Remember, when decryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have decryption. (And, boy, will they use it!) jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
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Post #12,432
10/9/01 11:46:49 AM
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Heed the calls of the yellow-bellied monopolist:
This bird tends to dress in dark blue pinstriped plumage of other, similar species, but can be easily distinguished by its soft, yellow, underbelly (which is rarely shows in public, but can often bee seen in gathering places called "boardrooms"). It is als distinguished by its various cries, such as: "Once we stem piracy, we will be able to raise prices in order to regainlost profits from piracy." "Once consumers can no longer get free music, they will have to buy the music in the formats we choose to put out." They are also know for shitting all over the place, especially where they eat, and randomly killing members of that endangered species: The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg. jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
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Post #12,448
10/9/01 1:35:06 PM
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Sirs and ma'ams of RIAA
It isn't because I've ever used Napster or any other file sharing or rippng technology. (I did rip a few songs from a couple of CD's, but since I don't have anything but my computer on which to play MP3's, I found it just more convenient to use the CD. Deleted the rips.) It's because there isn't anything worth buying you idiots!
You start "copy protecting" (as if that will last very long) your CD's, and you're going to go the way of all the software companies that vainly tried to hold onto copy protection. Copy protected software doesn't sell. Neither will copy protected CD's.
In a way, I'm happy to see this. They are digging their grave, not with shovels but with piledrivers, front end loaders, dump trucks, and any other heavy machinery you care to mention. In five years, many of those companies will be history. Unfortunately, their legacy may very well live on long past their demise.
Rest in eternal torment, you buttheads.
Who knows how empty the sky is
In the place of a fallen tower.
Who knows how quiet it is in the home
Where a son has not returned.
-- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
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Post #12,506
10/9/01 5:44:33 PM
8/21/07 5:43:23 AM
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I have 12 linear feet
of shelf space taken up by legally purchased (licensed?) content in vinyl analog format. I no longer am able to take advantage of the fair use of this content as I don't have a suitable playback device. This content is in a warehouse.
I have probably twice the above shelfspace in legally purchased (licensed?) content in CD digital format. I am finding this format cumbersome as I am now living in a space constrained location (sailboat) and would like to recover some storage space.
I would like to trade all formats for compact digital formats to save on physical storage space. I'm thinking high-capacity firewire disk drive array or similar.
Oh, you won't sell me that? So what should I do? Given that there was no license agreement on most of my older CDs, tapes, or vinyl, I can only assume that I have the legal rights to make fair use copies in any formats I like.
I won't buy anything in the future that has restrictive licensing or copy protection. Will the money you recover from the pirates make up for the drop in patronage by people who refuse to purchase content they can't control?
I really doubt it.
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Post #12,608
10/10/01 10:46:41 AM
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Look Here
[link|http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F001%5F018%5F000&product%5Fid=42%2D7000|A decent turntable]
RS also still carries a complete line of phono cartridges. Note - you may need a small pre-amp to hook up a turntable to the "AUX" jack of modern stereo equipment, which often lacks a phono input.
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Post #12,614
10/10/01 10:58:58 AM
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I know of at least one group that makes turntables by hand
In the Chicago area. My uncle (who has much more than 12 linear feet of vinyl) has one. It rests on oil-cushioned legs (IIRC) and has a plexiglass cover.
They also make tube-based amplifiers.
This is stuff for the serious vinyl audiophile, make no mistake.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #12,659
10/10/01 1:03:29 PM
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Not too hard to find
DJs that do dance stuff (House, Hip Hop, Trance, etc..) still use turntables a lot because they are easier to beat-match with then CDs, where the technology isn't quite there yet to do it right
Most musicians also favor tube (valve) powered amplifiers as well
Jay O'Connor
"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
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Post #12,618
10/10/01 11:15:12 AM
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Recently bought a $200 direct drive Gemini
from [link|http://www.marsmusic.com|Mars Music] - a Gemini XL500II. It seems pretty good, but is manual (have to remove the tonearm at the end of a record).
I think Todd's main issue is space on his boat, not lack of a turntable though...
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #14,647
10/22/01 4:44:34 PM
8/21/07 6:39:30 AM
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That and the records skip in rough seas
Really, my point is I own this content - but its in the wrong format. Seems like the record companies ought to let me get the content in a different format - just trade it in - oh yeah, except that every new format provides a big cash push from people repurchasing favorites.
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Post #12,597
10/10/01 9:35:56 AM
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Register says, "Good story, too bad it's fake"
How refreshing to see a news org [link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/31/22138.html|apologize] for running a story without fact checking. El Reg has got something found in vanishingly small quantities in the world of news, "integrity". And they make me laugh. What else do you need?
For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong
H. L. Mencken, Mencken's Metalaw
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Post #12,775
10/10/01 8:47:32 PM
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Suspect, not disproven
I wouldn't call it dead yet. It probably shouldn't have run without either fact-checking or caveats, but the question of legitimacy appears to be open. John Young at [link|http://www.cryptome.org/|Cryptome] has posted and continues to post issues and evidence on both sides of the equation.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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