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New It was more than the Java that was bad.
The entire design was bad, from UI to DB to business objects.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Seen it before
I was doing Smalltalk at Time Warner in 1997. The VP (business unit CIO) was a Pakistani named Fahim. There were an astonishing number of people of similar ethnicity (especially for Denver which has a nearly non-existent middle eastern contingent). This particluar region of cubicles came to be known as "Uncle Fahim's Cabin". More interestingly, TW was using an offshore development outfit for certain modules. The company was owned by Fahim's brother. Everything we ever got from them was late, was crap, and was rewritten in the small hours by top developers (the only ones who could make sense of the mess). No I wasn't one of them - I was still learning ST at the time.

Projects continued to go there though. So I got my taste of outsourcing pretty early. I know how it really goes.



In Java, you can't escape the creepy feeling.

     --James Gosling
New How long before PHBs get burned?
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OK, George W. is deceptive to be sure. Dissembling, too. And let's not forget deceitful. He is lacking veracity and frankness, and void of sooth, though seemingly sincere in his proclivity for pretense. But he did not lie.
[link|http://www.jointhebushwhackers.com/not_a_liar.cfm|Brian Wimer]
New Re: How long before PHBs get burned?
What? They are our Soviets, with 5-month plans. No matter how much they fuck up, they are immune.

You think this crap just started with the dotcom boom? I've seen idiots in IT management going back into the mid 80s. It exponentiated with the release of Windows and the advent of soylent/server.
-drl
     How Offshore Outsourcing Failed Us - (lincoln) - (39)
         As I've so often said.. - (deSitter) - (1)
             Thoughts.... - (gdaustin)
         I wonder if all who could code/manage to US standards - (Arkadiy) - (22)
             Not even close - (deSitter) - (21)
                 It was more than the Java that was bad. - (admin) - (3)
                     Seen it before - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                         How long before PHBs get burned? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                             Re: How long before PHBs get burned? - (deSitter)
                 Question: - (jb4) - (16)
                     Well, there's also . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (15)
                         'zacly - (deSitter)
                         How widespread? - (Ashton) - (13)
                             Go look in the trash - (scoenye) - (4)
                                 ***farkinboggle*** -NT - (deSitter)
                                 Seconded - (drewk) - (2)
                                     Send that one in to Shark Tank. -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                         Good call, will do -NT - (drewk)
                             Very - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                                 So, given your experience, can it be fixed? - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                     The success of the "My Documents" folder . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                         Abstractions - and *Bob*/Linux - (Ashton) - (2)
                                             Not just a rumor... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                 Re: Not just a rumor... - (deSitter)
                                 Related article on security . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 This isn't a computer-only issue - (drewk)
         My favorite part... - (mmoffitt) - (7)
             Mine: - (imric)
             re "Team" - (Ashton) - (5)
                 Re: re "Team" - (deSitter) - (1)
                     Re: re "Team" - (andread)
                 Not alone. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                     Human Resources and the Cult Mentality - (orion) - (1)
                         It's hard for me to tell - (Ashton)
         Been there - done that - tried to pick up the pieces - (dlevitt) - (5)
             Don't know about India, but - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                 The Russian Way? - (deSitter) - (3)
                     Inside out works better for small outsides - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                         You just perfectly described someone I knew - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                             We Russians programmed in 60s up until 90s :) -NT - (Arkadiy)

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