Post #118,056
9/17/03 9:05:02 PM
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Bush distances from Cheney
[link|http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=716&e=12&u=/nm/20030917/ts_nm/iraq_usa_dc|Bush] President Bush distanced himself on Wednesday from comments by Vice President Dick Cheney that left the impression he saw a possible link between Saddam Hussein and the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. It's not just Bush, both Rumsfeld and Rice have taken the no known connection line recently. It's hard to believe that this is an accident given how carefully this White House lays out it publicity material. I'm wondering if they might not be setting Cheney to step aside for medical reasons rather then another term as VP. Cheney can take some of the blame for Bush and free up the VP slot for a popularity booster. The other possibility is that they want to avoid another scandel like the African Uranium mess. They want people to connect 9/11 and Saddam in their heads, but they don't want to say anything directly that might be used to disprove it. Jay
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Post #118,061
9/17/03 10:03:12 PM
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W is simply trying to defuse future criticism.
But the idiots that believe the al-Qaeda link will miss this little tidbit. Bush will have it both ways.
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #118,139
9/18/03 4:46:13 PM
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As one of those idiots...
I would like to make a distinction which is one that the major mejah sources are not - nor you. Cheney said that there existed links to Al Quaida, not 9/11 directly. In this context, the statements are consistent with what Bush et al are saying. Bush went on to say that he believes that there is no question about Hussein's links to terrorist groups including Al Quaida and Hamas.
There's no question in my mind that Hussein supported some Al Quaida members and other terrorist groups (including his own government). I guess that makes me an idiot.
Just a few thoughts,
Screamer
But take your time, think a lot,
Why, think of everything you've got.
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not.
Y. Islam - Father and Son
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Post #118,151
9/18/03 5:41:41 PM
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There is no question that Saddam had links...
to the Palestinian terrorists. That has to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and remotely anything to do with the US.
Al Qaeda is a world-wide fundamentalist Muslim terrorist group and Iraq was secular. Indeed, Osama wanted to use his guys to protect Saudi Arabia from Saddam at the time of the first Gulf War.
[link|http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-12feb2003-37.htm|Bin Laden calls Saddam 'infidel']. But, he's our infidel. :)
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #118,171
9/18/03 10:57:40 PM
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Cheney did everything short of saying yes
Cheney didn't quite risk saying Saddam had a hand in the 9/11 attacks, but if you saw the show or read the [link|http://www.msnbc.com/news/966470.asp|transcript], you will see he did everything short of that.
Most of the reports quote the "No. I think it\ufffds not surprising that people make that connection." line because it's short. But Cheney went on for quite a bit talking about how Saddam and al-Qaeda where connected, and just barely acknowledged that there is no confirmation of most of that evidence.
The transcript as a whole makes for facinating reading. His answers are not like those of a typical politican, who answers questions other the ones asked. I'm left with the impression that he is more like the PHCEO. He is getting all his information from suckups that are telling him what he wants to hear out of fear, and thus he isn't even aware of any problems or mistakes in his strategy.
Jay
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Post #118,172
9/18/03 11:07:58 PM
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To quote Cheney...
This Sunday on NBC\ufffds \ufffdMeet the Press,\ufffd Tim Russert asked Vice President Dick Cheney whether he was surprised by that 69 percent statistic.
\ufffdNo,\ufffd said Cheney, \ufffdI think it\ufffds not surprising that people make that connection.\ufffd
When Russert followed up and asked whether such a connection in fact existed, Cheney said: \ufffdWe don\ufffdt know.\ufffd
By any reasonable standard, that\ufffds a lie.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/new?contentid=118139| Source ] Technically speaking - we don't know that Cheney himself financed the 9/11 attacks and is using Bin Ladin as a scapegoat.
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Post #118,099
9/18/03 9:57:55 AM
9/18/03 9:59:29 AM
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Re: Cheney.
Stepping out now that the world has been made even more profitable for Halliburton would be a "good lick" for Cheney. He could go back to his old private sector position of bilking tax-payers instead of being on the dole directly.
Just heard an NPR report this morning about some in congress (both sides of the aisle) squawking about "splitting the 21 billion" for reconstruction efforts in Iraq out of the 87 Billion supplemental, and considering that separately (as opposed to the balance which is obstensively going directly to US Troop support). This separation, it was reported, is vehemently objected to by the White House. One wonders how much of that 21 Billion is going to Dicky boy's friends at Halliburton.
[Edit: spelling]
bcnu,
Mikem
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.
- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Edited by mmoffitt
Sept. 18, 2003, 09:59:29 AM EDT
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Post #118,196
9/19/03 10:15:11 AM
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Pedalling-comma-back!
Of course, by election time, the "administration" will swear up and down that they never...ever... tried to link Saddam to the WTC attacks, and we only went into Eye-rack to liberate those poor downtrodden Eye-rackey citizens.
(And the sad part is, the majority of the "electorate" will believe it, too...)
jb4
Boy I'd like to see those words on a PR banner behind [Treasury Secretary John] Snow at the podium:
Jobs and Growth: Just Wait.
John J. Andrew, unemployed programmer; see jobforjohn.com
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Post #118,201
9/19/03 10:35:41 AM
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They're already trying to argue that.
And the right-wing pundits are right there with them. What's REALLY funny is some of their current actions with France. To Quote:
The opening of the U.N. session gives you leverage for concessions from President Bush in exchange for a resolution blessing international help in Iraq.
Given the toll -- in money and men -- that the postwar period there is taking on the United States, he has asked for help from those who were unwilling to help topple Saddam Hussein.
As the leader of the pre-war effort to deny U.N. certification for that war, you can be forgiven for smirking. You did predict a messier postwar cleanup than Bush expected.
[link|http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-edpbrown19091903sep19,0,2480110.column?coll=orl-opinion-headlines| Orlando Sentinel] Bzzt. Wrong-oh. France predicted that the action would be 'messier' than expected. They ALSO predicted that Saddam DIDN'T have weapons of mass destruction and [link|http://www.spacewar.com/2003/030411192507.l8bewe7z.html| peaceful methods of disarming Iraq were successful]. Alas, we STILL haven't found any evidence of a nuclear weepons program. In fact, we haven't found much evidence of WMD period. That would (ahem) seem to indicate that (cough) they were right. Certainly Americans are asking about those plants that Bush pointed in his speeches - asking what state they're in. Certainly we're asking about those Aluminum Tubes and what they were used for. Certainly we know that Kay's report is coming out this month. Right?
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Post #118,475
9/22/03 6:58:16 PM
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Forget about the right-wing pundits
They're the intelligensia of the Right...
[where the Hell is that sign!?!]
About Lying:
If it's done by a Democrat, it's an impeachabel offense. If it's done by a Republican, it's OK, because, "It's just Business!"
jb4
Boy I'd like to see those words on a PR banner behind [Treasury Secretary John] Snow at the podium:
Jobs and Growth: Just Wait.
John J. Andrew, unemployed programmer; see jobforjohn.com
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Post #118,204
9/19/03 10:56:37 AM
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I think David Horsey has got the long and short of it.
[link|http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/print.asp?id=894|Right here.]
In that final hour, when each breath is a struggle to take, and you are looking back over your life's accomplishments, which memories would you treasure? The empires you built, or the joy you spread to others?
Therin lies the true measure of a man.
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Post #118,278
9/19/03 6:49:00 PM
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..or Rock:_____ _Wun and wun and wun is three_
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