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Post #92,748
3/29/03 3:49:56 AM
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What were you actually saying ???
Of all empires of the past 2,500 years China is the only surviving one and is yet again on the resurgence after approx 150 years of foreign intervention & political weakness. ????.
What did you make your original post for then, it seems to me you are really admiting you made an attack on China for no useful purpose & to establish no point that bears any relevance to the war on Iraq. They you failed to prove anything other than not understanding the point you tried to make.
The outcome of this episode is to paint you as a 'mouth' rather than a 'brain'. Please correct me if I am wrong.
(I promise will not hold this against you in future debates (only what you post and how you defend it) but do keep away from posting your 'wisdom & insights' on China because you have shown us that wisdom and insight is not what inspires your sino-knowledge.
China *does* have wisdom & a wealth of experience in being and sustaining an empire & apart from the issue of land-locked Tibet. Has *never* been the slightet bit guilty of being an aggresive imperialist force seeking domination beyond its immediate (last 1000 years) borders or spheres of influence (Korea, Tibet, Hainan, Taiwan & Hong Kong/Macau. (just remember that the 1st Chinese dynasty included *all* of Siberia - have you ever heard any Chinese saying they want it back ???). (Go back & look at your 1st post in this unfortunate thread).
Doug Marker
Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
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March 29, 2003, 04:16:25 AM EST
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March 29, 2003, 07:24:33 AM EST
What in the FUCK were you saying ???
China is one of history's long standing and comparitively stable and highly inventive empires. ????.
What did you make your original post for then, it seems to me you are really admiting you made an attack on China for no useful purpose & to establish no point that bears any relevance to the war on Iraq.
I might be excused for thinking you shoot your mouth (fingers) off, to score points in areas you think no one has the knowledge to take you to task for ???.
The outcome of this episode is to paint you as a 'mouth' rather than a 'brain'.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
(I promise will not hold this against you in future debates (only what you post and how you defend it) but do keep away from posting your 'wisdom & insights' on China because you have shown us that wisdom/insight is not what inspires your sino-knowledge. China does have wisdom & a wealth of experience in building & maintaining an empire & apart from the issue of land-locked Tibet. Has *never* been the slightet bit guilty of being an imperialist force seeking domination beyond its immediate (last 1000 years) borders. (just remember that the 1st dynasty included all of Siberia).
Doug Marker
Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
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March 29, 2003, 07:31:00 AM EST
What in the FUCK were you saying ???
China is one of history's long standing and comparitively stable and highly inventive empires. ????.
What did you make your original post for then, it seems to me you are really admiting you made an attack on China for no useful purpose & to establish no point that bears any relevance to the war on Iraq.
I might be excused for thinking you shoot your mouth (fingers) off, to score points in areas you think no one has the knowledge to take you to task for ???.
The outcome of this episode is to paint you as a 'mouth' rather than a 'brain'.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
(I promise will not hold this against you in future debates (only what you post and how you defend it) but do keep away from posting your 'wisdom & insights' on China because you have shown us that wisdom and insight is not what inspires your sino-knowledge.
China *does* have wisdom & a wealth of experience in being and sustaining an empire & apart from the issue of land-locked Tibet. Has *never* been the slightet bit guilty of being an aggresive imperialist force seeking domination beyond its immediate (last 1000 years) borders or spheres of influence (Korea, Tibet, Hainan, Taiwan & Hong Kong/Macau. (just remember that the 1st Chinese dynasty included *all* of Siberia - have you ever heard any Chinese saying they want it back ???). (Go back & look at your 1st post in this unfortunate thread).
Doug Marker
Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
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Post #92,835
3/29/03 1:40:18 PM
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Re: What were you actually saying ???
China can only claim "surviving" because each successive regime change kept roughly the same boundaries (sometimes). They have had as much of a rocky past as anyone else.
In my original post I was making the point that China appears to be holding itself up as an example to follow, while it's obvious they haven't got it right yet, and never have. Just like the rest of the world.
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Post #92,963
3/29/03 11:41:05 PM
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A backdown -- 'China *appears* to be' ...
No you did *not* say 'China appears to be' - you wrote ...
>> They have a great history, of brutal dictatorships of dazzling grandeur and massive populations in abject poverty, to draw from. <<
I don't see any such words or imputation.
Doug M
Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
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Post #92,991
3/30/03 1:23:16 AM
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Re: A backdown -- 'China *appears* to be' ...
You can mince semantics all day, but it never helps your case to grasp at that straw.
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Post #93,015
3/30/03 3:05:39 AM
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Clap clap clap
Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
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Interesting, brief Chinese commentary
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rcareaga)
- (50)
- March 27, 2003, 09:33:04 AM EST
Re: Interesting, brief Chinese commentary
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cybermace5)
- (49)
- March 27, 2003, 11:11:37 AM EST
So you agree they might know what they're talking about then
-NT
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jake123)
- (1)
- March 27, 2003, 11:12:47 AM EST
they certainly have experience with what doesn't work
-NT
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cybermace5)
- March 27, 2003, 11:15:14 AM EST
What a crock of s***
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dmarker)
- (46)
- March 27, 2003, 06:41:15 PM EST
he's american schooled and untravelled, whadya expect :-)
-NT
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boxley)
- (3)
- March 27, 2003, 06:42:15 PM EST
The why shoot his mouth off on topics he knows f'all about ?
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dmarker)
- (2)
- March 27, 2003, 07:42:42 PM EST
I'm told that 'debate' is not even an optional course
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Ashton)
- March 27, 2003, 08:15:53 PM EST
Look at the facts.
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Brandioch)
- March 28, 2003, 10:05:39 AM EST
Re: What a crock of s***
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cybermace5)
- (41)
- March 27, 2003, 09:48:32 PM EST
Hah..!____Gehabt, kinder.__Over --> Oz.
-NT
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Ashton)
- (2)
- March 27, 2003, 10:39:19 PM EST
Ill let doug get stuck in then dibs on seconds
-NT
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boxley)
- (1)
- March 27, 2003, 10:47:55 PM EST
glad it will be interesting
-NT
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cybermace5)
- March 27, 2003, 11:03:59 PM EST
Thanks for chance to debate this ...
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dmarker)
- (37)
- March 28, 2003, 07:05:46 AM EST
Re: Thanks for chance to debate this ...
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cybermace5)
- (12)
- March 28, 2003, 10:51:17 AM EST
Well how long has america been enlighted by your standard?
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boxley)
- (3)
- March 28, 2003, 11:06:23 AM EST
Re: Well how long has america been enlighted by your standar
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cybermace5)
- (2)
- March 28, 2003, 12:30:05 PM EST
But back to the original original point
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jake123)
- (1)
- March 28, 2003, 12:46:23 PM EST
Re: But back to the original original point
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cybermace5)
- March 28, 2003, 01:15:21 PM EST
Your definition is now too broad and meaningless
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dmarker)
- (7)
- March 28, 2003, 10:35:56 PM EST
hey we didnt stop governmental genocide
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boxley)
- March 28, 2003, 10:38:50 PM EST
Re: Your definition is now too broad and meaningless
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cybermace5)
- (5)
- March 28, 2003, 11:07:29 PM EST
What were you actually saying ???
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dmarker)
- (4)
- March 29, 2003, 07:31:00 AM EST
Re: What were you actually saying ???
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cybermace5)
- (3)
- March 29, 2003, 01:40:18 PM EST
A backdown -- 'China *appears* to be' ...
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dmarker)
- (2)
- March 29, 2003, 11:41:05 PM EST
Re: A backdown -- 'China *appears* to be' ...
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cybermace5)
- (1)
- March 30, 2003, 01:23:16 AM EST
Clap clap clap
-NT
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dmarker)
- March 30, 2003, 03:05:39 AM EST
Well, this was a dud.
-NT
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cybermace5)
- (23)
- March 29, 2003, 01:32:14 AM EST
You are the dud!. Pulled grenade out of pin with your teeth
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dmarker)
- (22)
- March 29, 2003, 07:36:28 AM EST
Re: You are the dud!. Pulled grenade out of pin with your te
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cybermace5)
- (21)
- March 29, 2003, 01:36:14 PM EST
Tell me 1 'point' you made -
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dmarker)
- (20)
- March 29, 2003, 03:22:10 PM EST
Re: Tell me 1 'point' you made -
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cybermace5)
- (19)
- March 29, 2003, 05:08:10 PM EST
Straw Woman - now who is Googling and who knows China?
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Ashton)
- (18)
- March 29, 2003, 06:14:46 PM EST
how gratifying
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rcareaga)
- (17)
- March 29, 2003, 06:35:54 PM EST
Re: how gratifying
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cybermace5)
- (15)
- March 29, 2003, 07:49:39 PM EST
Re: how gratifying
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rcareaga)
- (14)
- March 29, 2003, 08:42:08 PM EST
Re: how gratifying
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cybermace5)
- (13)
- March 29, 2003, 10:48:07 PM EST
have you travelled and visited any other countries?
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boxley)
- March 29, 2003, 11:00:29 PM EST
you forgot the "born in a log cabin" bit
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rcareaga)
- (11)
- March 30, 2003, 11:47:24 AM EST
What...!
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cybermace5)
- (10)
- March 30, 2003, 01:48:57 PM EST
Re: What...!
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rcareaga)
- (9)
- March 30, 2003, 02:42:41 PM EST
Re: What...!
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cybermace5)
- (8)
- March 30, 2003, 04:16:36 PM EST
Degenerating threads -endup in circles & then fly up own ass
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dmarker)
- March 30, 2003, 04:57:23 PM EST
Query:
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inthane-chan)
- March 30, 2003, 05:18:58 PM EST
You need to get out more
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jake123)
- (5)
- March 30, 2003, 05:42:05 PM EST
Sneaky qustion, there..____ betcha no-one wants to bite.
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Ashton)
- March 30, 2003, 10:14:54 PM EST
Re: You need to get out more
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cybermace5)
- (3)
- March 31, 2003, 01:06:07 PM EST
LRPD Candidate (new thread)
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inthane-chan)
- March 31, 2003, 01:34:18 PM EST
Re: You need to get out more
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jake123)
- March 31, 2003, 02:17:23 PM EST
10 points for the lions to lawyers quip <grin>
-NT
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dmarker)
- March 31, 2003, 05:31:56 PM EST
Mea maxima culpa.
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Ashton)
- March 29, 2003, 10:48:50 PM EST
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