Your definition is now too broad and meaningless

Post #92,676 by dmarker 3/28/03 10:35:56 PM Reply	Your definition is now too broad and meaningless We could both argue that there has never been a period in any great empire's history where there weren't one of your conditions !!!. Roman Byzantine Persian Austro-Hungarian British Russian USSR German American You have spread your case so ridiculously broad as to make it meaningless - as an illustration. Tell me when US has had any 100-150 years without one of your pointless conditions being met. --Please start with the treatment of native Americans !!!. Then enlighten us re: --The war on Spain started by blaming them for a coal bunker explosion on the Battleship Maine in Havana Harbour --The Vietnam mess --Ollie North's Nicaraguan adventures --etc: ad infinitum Cheers Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
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Post #92,702 by cybermace5 3/28/03 11:07:29 PM Reply	Re: Your definition is now too broad and meaningless Ummm...that was my entire POINT! I in fact STATED that other long-standing empires have suffered from the same problems. My POINT was that China is not handing down drops of wisdom from a higher plane of reality!
Post #92,748 by dmarker 3/29/03 3:49:56 AM 3/29/03 7:31:00 AM Reply	What were you actually saying ??? Of all empires of the past 2,500 years China is the only surviving one and is yet again on the resurgence after approx 150 years of foreign intervention & political weakness. ????. What did you make your original post for then, it seems to me you are really admiting you made an attack on China for no useful purpose & to establish no point that bears any relevance to the war on Iraq. They you failed to prove anything other than not understanding the point you tried to make. The outcome of this episode is to paint you as a 'mouth' rather than a 'brain'. Please correct me if I am wrong. (I promise will not hold this against you in future debates (only what you post and how you defend it) but do keep away from posting your 'wisdom & insights' on China because you have shown us that wisdom and insight is not what inspires your sino-knowledge. China does have wisdom & a wealth of experience in being and sustaining an empire & apart from the issue of land-locked Tibet. Has never been the slightet bit guilty of being an aggresive imperialist force seeking domination beyond its immediate (last 1000 years) borders or spheres of influence (Korea, Tibet, Hainan, Taiwan & Hong Kong/Macau. (just remember that the 1st Chinese dynasty included all of Siberia - have you ever heard any Chinese saying they want it back ???). (Go back & look at your 1st post in this unfortunate thread). Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003 Edited by dmarker March 29, 2003, 04:16:25 AM EST Edited by dmarker March 29, 2003, 07:24:33 AM EST Edited by dmarker March 29, 2003, 07:31:00 AM EST Expand All History
Post #92,835 by cybermace5 3/29/03 1:40:18 PM Reply	Re: What were you actually saying ??? China can only claim "surviving" because each successive regime change kept roughly the same boundaries (sometimes). They have had as much of a rocky past as anyone else. In my original post I was making the point that China appears to be holding itself up as an example to follow, while it's obvious they haven't got it right yet, and never have. Just like the rest of the world.
Post #92,963 by dmarker 3/29/03 11:41:05 PM Reply	A backdown -- 'China appears to be' ... No you did not say 'China appears to be' - you wrote ... >> They have a great history, of brutal dictatorships of dazzling grandeur and massive populations in abject poverty, to draw from. << I don't see any such words or imputation. Doug M Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #92,991 by cybermace5 3/30/03 1:23:16 AM Reply	Re: A backdown -- 'China appears to be' ... You can mince semantics all day, but it never helps your case to grasp at that straw.
Post #93,015 by dmarker 3/30/03 3:05:39 AM Reply	Clap clap clap Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003

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