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New the Jack Ryan thing indeed
I concur w/inthane-chan's second paragraph. For the rest, I don't hate Clancy--as I say, times past he's been a guilty pleasure (particularly in the 90s, when I did more business travel--indeed, I read most of Debt of Honor at a deserted Dulles Airport overnight, after outsmarting myself in an attempt to catch an earlier flight out). I'll even go so far as to say that in another airport I once purchased the work of an imitator whose prose made The Hunt for Red October read like Faulkner by comparison. However: at his very best, at the tippy-top of his form, Clancy's work is bloated, self-indulgent and utterly devoid of literary merit. Even as a storyteller he ranks countless fathoms beneath a man like the late Nevil Shute, a writer of limited literary gifts who could nevertheless take a yarn from beginning to middle to end like nobody's business. And as to the top of his form, Clancy hasn't been there for years: his last "President Ryan" epic, The Bear and the Dragon appears to have gone directly from Clancy's Macintosh to the typesetter without the intervention of an editor. Half a lifetime ago I resisted the notion that a writer's work necessarily told us anything about the man behind the curtain. I have since come to believe that style tells us a great deal indeed, and that Clancy's prose reveals a smug, parochial, deeply naive and breathtakingly vulgar man. Still, his works are fraught with rich, albeit entirely unintentional comedy (a recurring motif in The Bear and the Dragon: American sausage vs. Chinese stringbean--in other words, our dicks (tanks, bombers, missiles and, of course, our individual fighting MEN) are bigger than theirs. The prose conveys this with the subtlety of a Sousa march), and should be suffered to exist in our nominally free society even at the risk of a diet of his books warping the sensibilities of impressionable young people--as we have seen in Marlowe's case.

cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
New I have this strange ability
If there is one aspect of a book I find interesting, I can overlook the obvious flaws.[1] Yeah, Jack Ryan is the thinking man's Forrst Gump: always in the right place at the right time for no apparent reason. But the whole stock-market-on-a-monoculture angle really struck a chord with me. Also his description of the hopelessly-overpriced Japanese real estate market, and the fact that basically all of what we call "the economy" is a house of cards held up by collective self-deceit.


[1] In my whole life, I have probably only put down about a dozen books without finishing them. Either I'm really good at picking them, or I'm way too able to overlook flaws.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New Re: I have this strange ability
Believe me, if you enjoy Clancy this is not sufficient cause for me to damn you (although--"Jack Ryan is the thinking man's Forrest Gump"? thinking?? I think not). Hell, I'll probably read his last turgid tome once it's remaindered--but I'll always know that I'm slumming, and will do some literary decontamination thereafter.

cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
New Well ...
although--"Jack Ryan is the thinking man's Forrest Gump"? thinking?? I think not
Consider: "Life is like a box of chocolates ... that's all I have to say about that." vs. "The Japanese power structure believes they're facing the same economic hardships that presaged their attack on Pearl Harbor." The average American (with a 4th-grade reading ability) couldn't follow the first chapter of the typical Clancey. Sure it's bodice-rippers for guys, but at least he doesn't write/sound like an 8-year-old.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New It's war-gaming porn.
     Ashton-inspired thought experiment - (rcareaga) - (27)
         Re: Ashton-inspired thought experiment - (deSitter)
         In reply - (jake123)
         #2: Won't happen like that - result more likely to be .... - (dmarker)
         Re: Ashton-inspired thought experiment - (tangaroa) - (23)
             Sha-yit, a budding novel <g> -NT - (dmarker)
             Slight changeup - (boxley)
             a little closer to earth - (rcareaga) - (1)
                 Don't know if it's doable - (tangaroa)
             Holy crap - (drewk) - (12)
                 making it plausible? - (rcareaga) - (11)
                     "bodice ripper" - rofl - you're on today! - (deSitter)
                     I haven't had time lately to read him - (drewk) - (9)
                         Ah, that would be "Debt of Honor" - (rcareaga) - (8)
                             Read that book due to my dad... - (inthane-chan) - (7)
                                 Since you two both seemed to hate it ... why? - (drewk) - (6)
                                     It's the Jack Ryan thing. (Spoilers) - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                                         the Jack Ryan thing indeed - (rcareaga) - (4)
                                             I have this strange ability - (drewk) - (3)
                                                 Re: I have this strange ability - (rcareaga) - (2)
                                                     Well ... - (drewk) - (1)
                                                         It's war-gaming porn. -NT - (inthane-chan)
             If you stay out of Regional/World Conflict ... - (drewk) - (2)
                 Did you mean to post that to another forum? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                     Yes I did, lemme try again -NT - (drewk)
             If you stay out of Regional/World Conflict ... (new thread) - (drewk)
             So, When Are the Nukes Used? - (gdaustin) - (1)
                 Probably about the time that Pakistan, Israel and India do. - (Ashton)

What kind of monster says “take care”?
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