No, it's becoming obvious YOU don't know what you're saying.
[Quoting me:]Which is an inconsistent and therefore illogical position.That's stupid, short-sighted, morally repugnant, and, well, just fucking STUPID.Except that I think murder should be illegal.[1] And I think that private businesses should be allowed to discriminate.
It's akin to saying, "We don't need no silly laws against 'murder' and such. If someone is going to go around killing people for fun and profit, I'd much rather they come right out and say so."
(At least in how you *apply* it; and above all in how you JUSTIFY it, basing your pro-discrimination view on, of all things, *property* "rights".)
Yes, this caused massive problems for minority populations in the not-too-distant past. Yes, it leads to tyranny of the majority.So it shouldn't be done.
Which means it should be forbidden.
THAT is the logical and self-consistent position here.
And it happens -- no, BTW, it's no coincidence -- to be *my* position.
But what's the alternative? When I asked what gives you the right to set rules in my store, you [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=86577|said]:Uh, the thing is, it's NOT SUPPOSED to be "different" -- it's exactly the SAME reason that keeps you from committing murder: As a member of society, there are some things you get to do, and some things you don't.A store (or a mall) doesn't exist in a moral vacuum -- it sits in the middle of a community, of *society*.How exactly is that different?
In your store (or mall), *just like* in your home.
That's what *I* have been saying all the time: That there is no difference, and if one can be forbidden, then obviously the other can, too.
The one who's been claiming that there's some "difference", on the grounds that some things that I say should be forbidden happen on Holy Private Property, is YOU -- and it's YOU who haven't been able to show WHAT that mysterious "difference" is supposed to be, exactly.
And now you turn around and ask *me* "How exactly is that different?", as if the lack of a difference were somehow proof that YOU are right?!?
Which bloody Kindergarten debating club did *that* twisted reasoning -- naah, "reasoning", in quotes! -- last work for you in?
Fuck, even Bryce couldn't be *that* illogical!
That is just another way of saying the majority (the community) gets to set the standards of what I can or can't do in my store.Which is exactly consistent not only with my position, but even with what you now claim to be YOURS: Yes, *of course* the community gets to set the standards of what you can or can't do in your store. Heck, it even gets to say what you do *in your home*! For instance -- an instance which, only a few lines higher up, you said you *support* -- the law doesn't allow you to commit murder even there. At least I *assume* you didn't mean you "think murder should be illegal" *except* if you commit it on your Private Property?
So in your view is the community only allowed to enforce restrictions with which you happen to agree?No, that seems to be YOUR view.
Or rather, your view seems to be that the community is allowed to enforce *some* restrictions, with which you happen to agree, even on your Holy Private Property(1); and others, with which you *don't* agree, it *isn't* allowed to enforce, on the grounds that you're doing it on your Holy Private Property(2).
Or *something* very much like that... I'm not quite sure just WHAT the fuck you're saying, actually, because it's all so ill-thought-out, so inconsistent and illogical, that it's quite confusing, really.
[1] Hey, lookit that, I larned to spel.Now all that remains is for you to learn to READ.
Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.And actively advocating it since 2003.
(1): Even the really-private property of your home, where you still aren't allowed to murder.
(2): Even the not-really-so-private property of your store or mall, where you say you should be allowed to discriminate based on race, religion, or whether one's T-shirt is adorned with peace slogans or not.
