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Post #86,663
by morganek
3/7/03 11:38:56 PM
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New It was more than just the shirt
He was stopping other shoppers.

The complaint referenced in the newpaper article clearly states that the guards "received complaints that they were stopping other shoppers."

[link|http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/crossgates1.html|http://www.thesmokin.../crossgates1.html]

I wonder why Reuters didn't put this minor detail in their report?

The second guard's deposition is difficult to read, but this Downs guy was being a real pain in the ass.

If he wanted to accost people, he should have done it on a public street.
Post #86,671
by Silverlock
3/7/03 11:54:50 PM
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New " clearly states"
The complaint referenced in the newpaper article clearly states that the guards "received complaints that they were stopping other shoppers."
The problem here is that the police report in the Smoking Gun you provide a link to "clearly states" that an arguement had been observed by one (anonymous) woman. Maybe I missed something, point it out will ya?
Sometimes, self respect says you just have to speak out.
Post #86,677
by morganek
3/8/03 12:25:44 AM
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New Re: " clearly states"
Look on the first page of security guard Robert Williams' deposition regarding what he *observed* at:

[link|http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/crossgates3.html|http://www.thesmokin.../crossgates3.html]

"As they were walking through the common area they were stopping customers to express why they are wearing the shirts."

So, why did Reuters omit this detail in their report? Had it been there--even if it had been reported as, "The complaint states that. . . "--it would have stopped a lot of heated claims here and elsewhere that Downs was arrested for what was on his t-shirt.

The omission was inflammatory.

If this is a self-respect/self-expression thing, then there are probably hundreds of places on nearby public property where they could have done this.
Post #86,684
by morganek
3/8/03 12:48:56 AM
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New Doh!
I just now realized that the "self-respect" thing is your sig.
Post #86,690
by Silverlock
3/8/03 1:18:17 AM
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New I can see why you wouldn't have noticed right off.
Sometimes, self respect says you just have to speak out.
Post #86,716
by folkert
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3/8/03 9:00:05 AM
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New put an <hr> in that signature or some more <br>s before it!
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Post #86,689
by Silverlock
3/8/03 1:15:17 AM
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New I'll have to take your word for it.
I can't read it. Might be time for new glasses. Given the current political climate, I find it much more reasonable to posit that the peace shirt wearing duo were accosted and responded. It is, however, possible that this member of the judicial review board did instigate altercations with random mall customers. I leave it to you as to which is the most likely.
Sometimes, self respect says you just have to speak out.
     Man not allowed to wear a peace t-shirt in mall - (ben_tilly) - (52) - March 6, 2003, 07:20:20 AM EST
         I don't - (jake123) - (50) - March 6, 2003, 08:31:58 AM EST
             Malls are private property - (boxley) - (49) - March 6, 2003, 08:44:00 AM EST
                 Not quite any reason - (ben_tilly) - (48) - March 6, 2003, 08:46:33 AM EST
                     That may all be true you two... - (jake123) - (47) - March 6, 2003, 08:55:30 AM EST
                         Yup, 'xackly. -NT - (CRConrad) - March 6, 2003, 09:30:25 AM EST
                         That might have gotten the cops fired - (boxley) - (45) - March 6, 2003, 09:44:03 AM EST
                             Then you have a systemic problem. -NT - (jake123) - (44) - March 6, 2003, 11:08:16 AM EST
                                 yep, troublesome when the state works for the individuals - (boxley) - (43) - March 6, 2003, 12:06:47 PM EST
                                     Well, I can say - (jake123) - (36) - March 6, 2003, 12:14:49 PM EST
                                         Not exactly - (drewk) - (35) - March 6, 2003, 12:37:17 PM EST
                                             They should NOT, & (afaik) DO not, have that "right". - (CRConrad) - (34) - March 6, 2003, 03:33:44 PM EST
                                                 no shirt, no shoes, no service -NT - (SpiceWare) - (5) - March 6, 2003, 03:41:46 PM EST
                                                     Yeah, sure... But the point was, he HAD a shirt! - (CRConrad) - (4) - March 6, 2003, 03:58:11 PM EST
                                                         At the entrance to every Mall in America is a sign - (boxley) - March 6, 2003, 04:07:58 PM EST
                                                         not a functional requirement - (SpiceWare) - March 6, 2003, 04:55:43 PM EST
                                                         What's more... - (cwbrenn) - (1) - March 6, 2003, 05:08:31 PM EST
                                                             Ubersoft plotline: - (admin) - March 6, 2003, 05:10:45 PM EST
                                                 I've spent too long in Europe. - (Brandioch) - March 6, 2003, 03:57:35 PM EST
                                                 Yer starting to sound like Ashton - (jb4) - March 6, 2003, 07:01:04 PM EST
                                                 There's more to the story. - (static) - (1) - March 7, 2003, 06:15:07 AM EST
                                                     In that case... - (ben_tilly) - March 7, 2003, 07:09:57 AM EST
                                                 You do realize where he was, right? - (drewk) - (16) - March 7, 2003, 01:48:51 PM EST
                                                     or let smoke there? hopefully :0 -NT - (boxley) - March 7, 2003, 01:53:05 PM EST
                                                     Umm... Yes, I realise *exactly* where he was. Do YOU? - (CRConrad) - (14) - March 7, 2003, 06:32:42 PM EST
                                                         Then we just disagree - (drewk) - March 7, 2003, 08:46:17 PM EST
                                                         Wrong on a point - (boxley) - (12) - March 7, 2003, 09:14:07 PM EST
                                                             A) Too bloody obvious; B) Oh, that's "a rule", is it ?!? - (CRConrad) - (11) - March 8, 2003, 02:50:21 PM EST
                                                                 wasnt gaul where Julius made his bones? - (boxley) - (2) - March 8, 2003, 06:39:32 PM EST
                                                                     'Xackly - in Latin, it isn't "Gaul", but Gallia. - (CRConrad) - (1) - March 8, 2003, 11:53:16 PM EST
                                                                         {cackle} L'etat c'est Moi! Jacques Tati wherefore art thou? -NT - (Ashton) - March 9, 2003, 04:40:50 PM EST
                                                                 You clearly don't understand the U.S. - (drewk) - (7) - March 10, 2003, 08:31:56 AM EST
                                                                     Just because the USA is stupid, you don't have to be, too. - (CRConrad) - (6) - March 10, 2003, 10:30:35 AM EST
                                                                         Yeah, I can understand your anger, but... - (tseliot) - March 10, 2003, 11:16:23 AM EST
                                                                         I think you're still missing part of what I said - (drewk) - (4) - March 10, 2003, 12:53:21 PM EST
                                                                             No, it's becoming obvious YOU don't know what you're saying. - (CRConrad) - (3) - March 10, 2003, 05:07:46 PM EST
                                                                                 {sigh} And the jingoists want to suppress immigration - (Ashton) - March 11, 2003, 01:53:08 AM EST
                                                                                 Boy, did I say that badly - (drewk) - March 11, 2003, 08:34:34 AM EST
                                                                                 Very nicely put. - (mmoffitt) - March 11, 2003, 10:07:25 AM EST
                                                 It was more than just the shirt - (morganek) - (6) - March 7, 2003, 11:38:56 PM EST
                                                     " clearly states" - (Silverlock) - (5) - March 7, 2003, 11:54:50 PM EST
                                                         Re: " clearly states" - (morganek) - (4) - March 8, 2003, 12:25:44 AM EST
                                                             Doh! - (morganek) - (2) - March 8, 2003, 12:48:56 AM EST
                                                                 I can see why you wouldn't have noticed right off. -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - March 8, 2003, 01:18:17 AM EST
                                                                     put an <hr> in that signature or some more <br>s before it! -NT - (folkert) - March 8, 2003, 09:00:05 AM EST
                                                             I'll have to take your word for it. - (Silverlock) - March 8, 2003, 01:15:17 AM EST
                                     "For individuals"? How many people have *you*... - (CRConrad) - (5) - March 6, 2003, 02:48:01 PM EST
                                         in practice yes, the constitution has been voided - (boxley) - March 6, 2003, 02:53:23 PM EST
                                         But it was a great idea. - (Brandioch) - March 6, 2003, 03:38:06 PM EST
                                         constitution or ex-parrot? - (rcareaga) - (2) - March 6, 2003, 04:05:46 PM EST
                                             There are a lot of quotes like that - (ben_tilly) - March 6, 2003, 07:05:59 PM EST
                                             Another variant has it - (Ashton) - March 8, 2003, 06:27:58 AM EST
         Update Security Guard fired, as I expected - (boxley) - March 9, 2003, 05:32:33 PM EST

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