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Post #8,366 by bluke 9/11/01 3:21:46 PM Reply	The same number of innocents... that the US tells Israel to sacrifice to suicide bombing etc.
Post #8,376 by drewk 9/11/01 3:33:09 PM Reply	Good logic For the sake of argument, I'll grant your premise that U.S. foreign policy has amounted to telling Israel to sacrifice people to suicide bombers. Are you now concluding that the U.S. is morally obligated to sacrifice the same number of our own citizens before we can take any action in our own defense? Now, as for the premise ... Let's suppose the U.S. policy has been to explicitly tell Isreal to sacrifice its people to suicide bombers. Why would they listen to us? Could it be to keep receiving all the military and other financial aid we provide? Do you really think there are no strings attached? If you don't want Israel to feel bound by U.S. policy, all they have to do is stop taking the money. This is my sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Post #8,391 by bluke 9/11/01 3:49:44 PM Reply	Why not? If the US believes that restraint is the right policy for others why not for itself. Like it or not the US is the only superpower in the world. Even if the US gave Israel no money it still has alot of control and an important voice. Europe gives Israel no money, yet when they speak people here listen. The reason is simple. Israel is a small country and depends on trade etc. for survival.

Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Silverlock) - (97) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:44:06 AM EDT

My first question is: - (jb4) - (13) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:48:43 AM EDT

Well..... - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:58:21 AM EDT

It's *always* an inside job - (drewk) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:59:52 AM EDT

Did the Pittsburgh plane hit anything? - (SpiceWare) - (10) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:07:49 AM EDT

Uncomfirmed report that it was shot down. - (Silverlock) - (6) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:15:46 AM EDT

F16 shadowed plane from LAX to Washington DC also? - (brettj) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:44:45 AM EDT

Just heard on radio. 4 planes still unaccounted for 10:55 am -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:50:21 AM EDT

Cross-country flights... - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:54:06 AM EDT

No accident that they were Cross-country flights - (brettj) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:14:19 PM EDT

Not according to a post below this - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:24:34 PM EDT

Palestinians celebrating in the streets - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:48:14 PM EDT

I'd bet the pilots were dead long before any crashes -NT - (GBert) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:09:17 PM EDT

The FAA received communications after one hijacking - (brettj) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:30:51 PM EDT

It landed in a forested area - (brettj) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:11:27 PM EDT

not a good day - (cwbrenn) - (29) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:00:55 AM EDT

Was thinking same thing in reverse: I know who planned this! - (CRConrad) - (28) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:35:04 AM EDT

Just think of Clancy as a white hat hacker. - (marlowe) - (25) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:25:23 PM EDT

Level of security - (jbrabeck) - (24) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:53:32 PM EDT

Some things we could do. - (marlowe) - (23) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:04:35 PM EDT

You haven't been reading comp.risks. - (static) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:21:41 PM EDT

Never mind how vast it is. - (marlowe) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:42:21 PM EDT

Price tag = very high. - (static) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 02:14:41 AM EDT

Or alternately, do it or your liability insurance premiums.. - (marlowe) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:07:17 PM EDT

sleep gas into the cabin - (boxley) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 08:00:32 PM EDT

Now there's an avenue to explore. - (marlowe) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 02:06:03 AM EDT

cheap low tech solution think stagecoach and shotgun -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 12, 2001, 08:39:30 AM EDT

Some concerns - (Steven A S) - Sept. 12, 2001, 08:58:04 AM EDT

Some different things which could be done. - (Another Scott) - (14) - Sept. 12, 2001, 10:40:56 AM EDT

Reaction - (jbrabeck) - (7) - Sept. 12, 2001, 10:53:23 AM EDT

Carry-ons - (admin) - (5) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:03:45 AM EDT

Guess you're right - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:33:55 AM EDT

Kidding aside... - (admin) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:57:38 AM EDT

That's the point: put the kiddens aside -NT - (drewk) - Sept. 12, 2001, 12:02:02 PM EDT

Make 'em check 'em. - (addison) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:38:28 AM EDT

Sounds like a great idea - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:48:35 AM EDT

Instead of locked cockpit door - (Steven A S) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:46:16 AM EDT

Would be simpler... - (addison) - (5) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:26:03 PM EDT

Not as effective, IMO. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:38:55 PM EDT

What if cockpit door lock was controlled from ground? - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:51:38 PM EDT

More complexity; pilot is master of the plane. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 12, 2001, 06:07:52 PM EDT

More, really. - (addison) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 06:48:04 PM EDT

More simple - (wharris2) - Sept. 12, 2001, 09:19:44 PM EDT

Debt of Honor. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:17:54 PM EDT

Thanks for correction... Couldn't remember which TC book! -NT - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:43:36 PM EDT

Crash at Camp David also - (brettj) - (16) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:01:31 AM EDT

Well, that pretty much pins it: Islamics or Israelis -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:04:30 AM EDT

Could also be Bin Laden -NT - (Silverlock) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:13:01 AM EDT

That would fall firmly under Islamics. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:16:58 AM EDT

Yer right, I'm not thinking clearly today. Very upset. -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:18:16 AM EDT

Bin Laden announced unprecedented attack 3 weeks ago - (admin) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:18:44 AM EDT

Why not the Columbians? - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:21:32 AM EDT

Columbians never heard of Camp David. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:22:47 AM EDT

Didn't we get a member of one of the drug cartels in just - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:20:26 AM EDT

Drug cartels don't do suicide attacks . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:22:03 AM EDT

Source? Haven't heard anything - (wharris2) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:33:01 AM EDT

CBS or CNN, I think. - (brettj) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:39:55 AM EDT

Got four planes and a car bomb right now - (wharris2) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:49:56 AM EDT

Car bomb was a false alert. - (admin) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:53:05 AM EDT

My wife just left our house - (drewk) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:18:29 PM EDT

Who reported this? - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:59:08 AM EDT

Pennsylvania plane - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:29:12 PM EDT

Yassir Arofat and Tony Blair offered their condolences - (brettj) - (23) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:26:30 AM EDT

While Palestinians dance in the streets - (wharris2) - (22) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:16:30 PM EDT

That is one of my biggest fears. - (brettj) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:27:22 PM EDT

Not to mention atheist fanatics. - (marlowe) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:00:14 PM EDT

Fanatics in general. Good point. - (brettj) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:35:52 PM EDT

Unfortunately, the only way we can gain their respect . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (18) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:07:34 PM EDT

Really wish there was a way I could disagree with you -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:15:44 PM EDT

So do I -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:48:43 PM EDT

Hit `em so they can't get up. - (marlowe) - (15) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:15:57 PM EDT

You guys are unbelievable - (bluke) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:40:57 PM EDT

It's amazing, isn't it? - (static) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:23:54 PM EDT

Declaration of War - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:45:09 PM EDT

You are advocating the commission of war crimes - (bluke) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:51:01 PM EDT

Mass destruction should be avoided . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:07:38 PM EDT

The same number of innocents... - (bluke) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:21:46 PM EDT

Good logic - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:33:09 PM EDT

Why not? - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:49:44 PM EDT

And Americans accuse Israel of using excessive force???????? -NT - (bluke) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:32:49 PM EDT

I do not think you will find that I have . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:36:36 PM EDT

Maybe not... - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:45:29 PM EDT

I seem to recall something about the "Crusades".... - (addison) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:48:38 PM EDT

Yabut. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:17:03 PM EDT

Everybody remembers the Crusades - (GBert) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:41:04 PM EDT

Something I might want to reconsider slightly? - (marlowe) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:32:54 PM EDT

Bin Laden - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:34:55 AM EDT

Report on NPR... - (inthane-chan) - (6) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:39:13 AM EDT

CNN says bin Laadan denied responsibility - (jake123) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:42:18 AM EDT

Anyone with any sense would deny it - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:45:17 AM EDT

Oh yeah, and he'll be believed. - (admin) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:52:00 AM EDT

bin Laden or Taliban denies? - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:58:32 PM EDT

Probably a dozen unknown groups will claim responsibility. - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:43:25 AM EDT

Re: Report on NPR... - (addison) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:22:21 PM EDT

Tower collapses - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:35:38 PM EDT

Perspective: 25-50K workers at WTC - (kmself) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:49:39 PM EDT

Count Vietnamese deaths in Vietnam to get a true comparison - (jake123) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:32:13 PM EDT

Re: Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 12, 2001, 01:03:34 AM EDT

Skulduggery!
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