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New Crash at Camp David also
Today is the anniversary of the Camp David accord.
New Well, that pretty much pins it: Islamics or Israelis
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New Could also be Bin Laden
"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

--Thomas Jefferson
New That would fall firmly under Islamics.
If it is, one thing is certain, the law against assasinating foreign leaders is going to be repealed tomorrow.

Personally, I have felt we'd be better off paying the Russians to occupy Afghanistan.
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New Yer right, I'm not thinking clearly today. Very upset.
"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

--Thomas Jefferson
New Bin Laden announced unprecedented attack 3 weeks ago
He was quite serious, apparently.
Regards,

-scott anderson
New Why not the Columbians?
After all, didn't we just bring in one of the drug kingpins?

So, now we just have to be watching for

South Americans or anyone speaking Spanish

or

Any Palestinian

or

Israeli,

or

Arab

or

Muslim

or

Anyone except me, cause I didn't do it.

Yes, I do believe we should retaliate. But ONLY after we know who. And no, not "nuke 'm" cause that would not necessarily get the perps, but would definitely get too many civilians. No easy answer... What do we do when it is discovered that a government is behind it? Destroy the country? Declare war? On whom?
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net|Joe]
New Columbians never heard of Camp David.
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New Didn't we get a member of one of the drug cartels in just
the last couple of days also? (Something about someone being brought in via Miami).
New Drug cartels don't do suicide attacks . .
. . and they wouldn't strike at Camp David.
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New Source? Haven't heard anything
I've been glued to the radio all morning and haven't heard anything about a crash at Camp David.
French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
New CBS or CNN, I think.
I've got all three TV's on in the living room, but just now on CBS that claim is being questioned. They ever said it may not have been a plane but perhaps a bomb?

Until now, it seemed confirmed that a plane went down near or on Camp David.
New Got four planes and a car bomb right now
One crashed 80 miles or so from Pittsburgh - it would be a mighty interesting coincidence if this wasn't related. Two into the World Trade centers. One into the Pentagon. And a car bomb outside the State Department.

It's said there are two more planes apparently hijacked; one is on the ground in Cleveland, the other unaccounted for. Reports of another plane over Toledo.
French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
New Car bomb was a false alert.
They interviewed someone standing on the steps of the State Dept. right after the report. It was false.
Regards,

-scott anderson
New My wife just left our house
We live within sight of the Cleveland Hopkins International Airport tower. Her sister works at Burke Lakefront Airport downtown, and was evacuated at about 10 this morning. Most of downtown has been evacuated, and the police and military who were escorting people out of Burke were the first ones my sister-in-law heard from about the plane at Hopkins. As soon as she got home she called my wife and told her to come to their house.

My wife called to say she was leaving with the baby and the dog, and that the cats were both inside with fresh food and water. She called when she got to her sister's house, and said that she had gotten two other calls from friends who heard about it telling her we could come stay with them 'til this is all over. ("All over" ... hah.)

As she was leaving the house, there were police starting to block off the end of our street. Don't know yet how I'll be getting home tonight, or where, but we've got friends and family in town we can stay with for a while if we have to. I just want to get back into the house long enough to get the cats and some clothes, diapers and formula.
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New Who reported this?
Just listened to the "recap". Four planes, two at WTC, one at Pentagon and one in Pittsburgh (don't have any other info on that one).

Nothing at Capitol. Nothing about Camp David.
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net|Joe]
New Pennsylvania plane
One report I saw thought that the plane that crashed near Pittsburgh might have been going for Camp David. Since there were no survivors, it's going to be hard to verify that.
French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
     Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Silverlock) - (97)
         My first question is: - (jb4) - (13)
             Well..... - (jbrabeck)
             It's *always* an inside job - (drewk)
             Did the Pittsburgh plane hit anything? - (SpiceWare) - (10)
                 Uncomfirmed report that it was shot down. - (Silverlock) - (6)
                     F16 shadowed plane from LAX to Washington DC also? - (brettj) - (5)
                         Just heard on radio. 4 planes still unaccounted for 10:55 am -NT - (Silverlock)
                         Cross-country flights... - (admin) - (3)
                             No accident that they were Cross-country flights - (brettj) - (2)
                                 Not according to a post below this - (drewk) - (1)
                                     Palestinians celebrating in the streets - (bluke)
                 I'd bet the pilots were dead long before any crashes -NT - (GBert) - (1)
                     The FAA received communications after one hijacking - (brettj)
                 It landed in a forested area - (brettj)
         not a good day - (cwbrenn) - (29)
             Was thinking same thing in reverse: I know who planned this! - (CRConrad) - (28)
                 Just think of Clancy as a white hat hacker. - (marlowe) - (25)
                     Level of security - (jbrabeck) - (24)
                         Some things we could do. - (marlowe) - (23)
                             You haven't been reading comp.risks. - (static) - (3)
                                 Never mind how vast it is. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                     Price tag = very high. - (static) - (1)
                                         Or alternately, do it or your liability insurance premiums.. - (marlowe)
                             sleep gas into the cabin - (boxley) - (2)
                                 Now there's an avenue to explore. - (marlowe) - (1)
                                     cheap low tech solution think stagecoach and shotgun -NT - (boxley)
                             Some concerns - (Steven A S)
                             Some different things which could be done. - (Another Scott) - (14)
                                 Reaction - (jbrabeck) - (7)
                                     Carry-ons - (admin) - (5)
                                         Guess you're right - (jbrabeck) - (2)
                                             Kidding aside... - (admin) - (1)
                                                 That's the point: put the kiddens aside -NT - (drewk)
                                         Make 'em check 'em. - (addison) - (1)
                                             Sounds like a great idea - (jbrabeck)
                                     Instead of locked cockpit door - (Steven A S)
                                 Would be simpler... - (addison) - (5)
                                     Not as effective, IMO. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                         What if cockpit door lock was controlled from ground? - (drewk) - (1)
                                             More complexity; pilot is master of the plane. - (Another Scott)
                                         More, really. - (addison) - (1)
                                             More simple - (wharris2)
                 Debt of Honor. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                     Thanks for correction... Couldn't remember which TC book! -NT - (jbrabeck)
         Crash at Camp David also - (brettj) - (16)
             Well, that pretty much pins it: Islamics or Israelis -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (8)
                 Could also be Bin Laden -NT - (Silverlock) - (5)
                     That would fall firmly under Islamics. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                         Yer right, I'm not thinking clearly today. Very upset. -NT - (Silverlock)
                         Bin Laden announced unprecedented attack 3 weeks ago - (admin)
                     Why not the Columbians? - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                         Columbians never heard of Camp David. -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                 Didn't we get a member of one of the drug cartels in just - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                     Drug cartels don't do suicide attacks . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Source? Haven't heard anything - (wharris2) - (4)
                 CBS or CNN, I think. - (brettj) - (3)
                     Got four planes and a car bomb right now - (wharris2) - (2)
                         Car bomb was a false alert. - (admin)
                         My wife just left our house - (drewk)
             Who reported this? - (jbrabeck)
             Pennsylvania plane - (wharris2)
         Yassir Arofat and Tony Blair offered their condolences - (brettj) - (23)
             While Palestinians dance in the streets - (wharris2) - (22)
                 That is one of my biggest fears. - (brettj) - (2)
                     Not to mention atheist fanatics. - (marlowe) - (1)
                         Fanatics in general. Good point. - (brettj)
                 Unfortunately, the only way we can gain their respect . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (18)
                     Really wish there was a way I could disagree with you -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                         So do I -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Hit `em so they can't get up. - (marlowe) - (15)
                         You guys are unbelievable - (bluke) - (1)
                             It's amazing, isn't it? - (static)
                         Declaration of War - (Andrew Grygus) - (8)
                             You are advocating the commission of war crimes - (bluke) - (4)
                                 Mass destruction should be avoided . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                     The same number of innocents... - (bluke) - (2)
                                         Good logic - (drewk) - (1)
                                             Why not? - (bluke)
                             And Americans accuse Israel of using excessive force???????? -NT - (bluke) - (2)
                                 I do not think you will find that I have . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                     Maybe not... - (bluke)
                         I seem to recall something about the "Crusades".... - (addison) - (3)
                             Yabut. - (mmoffitt)
                             Everybody remembers the Crusades - (GBert)
                             Something I might want to reconsider slightly? - (marlowe)
         Bin Laden - (admin) - (7)
             Report on NPR... - (inthane-chan) - (6)
                 CNN says bin Laadan denied responsibility - (jake123) - (3)
                     Anyone with any sense would deny it - (wharris2)
                     Oh yeah, and he'll be believed. - (admin)
                     bin Laden or Taliban denies? - (mmoffitt)
                 Probably a dozen unknown groups will claim responsibility. - (Andrew Grygus)
                 Re: Report on NPR... - (addison)
         Tower collapses - (wharris2)
         Perspective: 25-50K workers at WTC - (kmself) - (1)
             Count Vietnamese deaths in Vietnam to get a true comparison - (jake123)
         Re: Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Arkadiy)

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