Bill, yet again responds with an unrelated issue that proves

Post #82,362 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:36:52 AM Reply	Bill, yet again responds with an unrelated issue that proves ?
Post #82,363 by boxley 2/18/03 9:40:17 AM Reply	So polls are to be followed only when Doug agrees with them? how very convenient. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,365 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:42:55 AM Reply	WTF has poll on palestine to do with this thread ???
Post #82,367 by boxley 2/18/03 9:49:55 AM Reply	read to top post of the thread for subject matter wasnt that the common complaint I had about the undead horse? You cannot foment policy by polls, Use them to gather understanding of the mood of the people but as an elected member of a Republic not a democracy, vote and lead by your own conviction and let the devil take the hindmost I started by saying Clinton's over reliance about polling was bad, discussed briefly the difference between a Republic and a democracy. I was castigated by RCeaga for not blindly following polls, so I posted a poll he could not blindly follow to show the fallacy of having no convictions except those of other people. Clear enough for ya? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,370 by rcareaga 2/18/03 9:58:52 AM Reply	"I posted a poll he could not blindly follow" Why on earth would you think that I have strong feelings one way or another about the creation of a Palestinian state? And why does almost every thread you participate in wind up being nudged onto the subjects of the heroic Israelis or the wicked Clintons? cordially, "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #82,372 by boxley 2/18/03 10:04:02 AM Reply	this thread started off with clintons, not ended there undead horse is the local euphemism for anything clinton related. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,495 by Brandioch 2/18/03 5:05:05 PM Reply	Nothing. Nothing at all. Except about polls in general. The question I would be asking is WHY do those people polled oppose a Palestinian state. Which gets back to the propaganda issue. People are fed propaganda to shape their views of a subject. Then they are polled to find their views on that subject. Hey, I recall a poll (sorry, Boxley, I can't find a reference for it at this moment) that showed some percentage of people opposed women's suffrage. Polls are EXTREMELY useful. Polls are also EXTREMELY mis-used and mis-representated. If you want to predict who will be elected, exit polls are very accurate. The person being polled knows how s/he just voted. If you want to see whether the majority of the US population supports social/political issues in a place they can't even locate on a map ..... That's where propaganda comes in. Which is why I prefer to go from the abstract to the concrete. Yes, Boxley is pro-war. Even if it means killing children. Now, when you get away from the abstract "children" to the specific "crush this particular child's head like this (crunch)" he gets all weird. Because emotions and denial do NOT mix well with facts.

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