Who has the popular opinion? The French does of course

Post #82,358 by boxley 2/18/03 9:26:59 AM Reply	Who has the popular opinion? The French does of course who had majority opinion in Stalinist Russia? Stalin or Trotsky? what is the point you are trying to make? I have thought sadaam needs to die for a very long time. Bush appears to be willing to do that. On only 1 issues of many I agree with Bush. I disagree with just about everything else the man does but this one is right. All the handringing, and social togetherism of the rest of the world does not move me. I dont change opinions like other folks change their shirt. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,359 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:30:02 AM Reply	Classic Bill - avoid question - talk about Russia
Post #82,361 by boxley 2/18/03 9:36:37 AM Reply	bullshizzit I answered you clearly the question was who has more popular support the french or bush I answered you straight forwardly, the french. I then said it doesnt matter to me. I also gave an example of a popular position that also didnt mean shit to me. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,364 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:41:07 AM Reply	How Bill ? You talk of 'the french' I spoke of Chirac's position at the UN in relation to Bush's position & both in relation to overwhelming & worldwide opinion. It is not a French vs American question. (See the thread on propaganda practice of those who chose emotive words to distort events)
Post #82,581 by Ashton 2/19/03 5:31:51 AM Reply	OK this one makes a certain sense. To a point. Nor have I confused your take on the planned execution to imply that you have thrown your lot in with the sleaze sheltered under this Texas bird's two right wings. But I claim: that in accepting Bush's plan (and apart from that choice: also lending credence to the rest of his agenda here and abroad) - you still miss the likelihood that the cure may dwarf the disease, in the web of completely uncontrollable consequences. And there is daily evidence of the poor thought about 'next steps' which has preceeded this war prep. You appear to accept this litany of probabilities - which may include a general melee including attacks on Israel (thus next: by Israel), the involvement of everyone from Uzbeks to all the Arab battling clans of old, on down to a really kindled Pakistan/India contretemps. All this for the visceral satisfaction of killing an aging boor, who is currently circumscribed within his wretched borders. And if 'freeing the Iraqi people' were high on your list (?) what about the Rwanda genocide, E. Timor, various African equivalents by equally Bad Men? Etc. People thought that assassinating Castro would be a Good Thing\ufffd too.. whether or not the JFK killing was related - we'll never learn. Maybe that's also our motto re world affairs: We'll Never Learn. Ashton
Post #82,611 by boxley 2/19/03 9:39:24 AM Reply	Glad you asked, whats next The unintended consequences might be unintended to Bush et al but not to me. The entire area from suez east to India South to aden north to russia excluding persia is a group of loosely related highly self identified ethnic semites. (include Jews in the group) The major 3 co-hesive pieces are religion (Shia Sunni the 2 major muslim pieces) Jewish and a small christian group. The major social groups are baath-ist (syria and Iraq) PUK (Kurd) and Fatah(palestinian). The major hardline religious folks are the wahibi and the Iranian Revolutionary council and Mahounds boys. The invasion of Iraq will start a blood letting against the baath which should spill into Syria. The Iranians as well as Turkey will be Jockeying for position over Kurdistan The entire area ( hopefully) will end up a loosly confederated group of citystates with a very weak central government propped up by the UN. This in turn will be eyed by the denziens of the gulf states which will either break the stranglehold of the wahibi's and the people will do it for them. The Israelis and the Palestinians will both see an oportunity to make hay while the sun shines, I expect that both will expand their borders and consolidate against Syria at the expense of both lebanon and Jordan. Remeber, the only group of people in that area that is hated as much as the Jews is the Palestinians. Both can and have seized the moment in the past. I see the Arab league in such disaray that peace in Israel can be accomplished. The only reason Arafat could not accept the deal at camp david was because it would have been a death sentence for him and everyone involved. Total breakdown of the Arab states is the only way for the Palestinians and the Jews to settle their differences without outside preasures and threats. It could well fail but I think (as usual) chaos is a good thing in human relations. The persians if they play their card right could get mecca which has been their goal all along. I trust the Persian people against their mullahs, I could be wrong there. All in all a better place. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,830 by Ashton 2/20/03 2:49:36 AM Reply	Well.. now that I understand your strategy WTF - let's bomb the shit out of the place and watch it on Tee Vee with marlowe, in his Nintendo tee shirt.. Better an anarchist than a boot-licking Repo lackey, I say.
Post #82,852 by boxley 2/20/03 8:44:54 AM Reply	na, the best outcome is shia owning mecca little bastards will schism war for the next 150 years and forget all about us if we keep our noses out. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar

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