Post #80,699
2/10/03 5:27:39 PM
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Ah...so you thought that..
...a suggestion or a specific course of action?
Bzzzt...wrong.
You see...we venture forth, offer assistance, establish allies...and then every once in a while we may find ourselves surprised...some of our aid will be used against us...this is the price for NOT closing the borders and washing our hands of it.
I'm perfectly willing to accept that as a risk.
It does, however, lead to having armchair quarterbacking going on 15 years after the fact...when its very simple to realize...after your men were killed with your own weapons...that maybe selling them wasn't such a great idea. (and the only way to prevent it is to NOT do it...something you obviously see as distasteful)
But your invented persona of me would never have such a realistic view of the world...so how could I assume you would understand such a basic point.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #80,713
2/10/03 5:52:43 PM
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Funny thing about our 'foresight'. Never mind '15 years'
No 20/20 needed: it's NOW.
Our Leader has stated overtly, and on many occasions confirmed with slightly altered phraseology:
The US does not care what *Anyone* else in the world thinks, including the UN - and clearly including the demographic 'opinions' within even the few supposed remaining 'ally-Governments', re our now inexorable first-strike.
Many, many have failed to see the urgency of this action, on through today's date - per se and comparative to other world problem situations also developing.
I call this a pattern of Imperialistic behaviour and of disdain for the opinions of (billions?) - including US citizens, as regards our own new problems of Constitutional erosion. This ain't about foresight - it is about present-sight.
WTF - this is all moot. We can all watch the phenomenon unfold.
(Best get your overseas flying in reel soon, y'know?) Any bets on the shape of the web in 6 mos? in one year? as received in the US.
Ashton
PS - invented persona? Hah: you will advocate status quo on every issue, predictably. Of course you are merely playing Devil's advocate. Sure, that's it. Hmmmm whatever happened to that female officer-pilot who wouldn't wear a sack? It seems that more than just us loonies noticed that which you deemed silly at the time. Persona ?
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Post #80,717
2/10/03 5:57:02 PM
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Whatever you say.
Because precious little of it has to do with the above thread.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #80,722
2/10/03 6:04:20 PM
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Then why are we not invading Syria as well?
e are still using the same old, we will ignore your despostism because it suits our short term needs. As far as the pro Israel position, Israel would be better served by invading Syria than Iraq
thanx,
bill
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Post #80,807
2/10/03 10:52:20 PM
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Ask Bush^H^H^H^H Rumsfeld.
How many lives per gallon?
--Sign outside of various churches
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Post #80,724
2/10/03 6:05:29 PM
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Obtuse still? *Pattern of behaviour* is the constant.
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Post #80,726
2/10/03 6:08:48 PM
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Yes you are still obtuse.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #80,738
2/10/03 6:30:07 PM
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Missed again: I'm scalene,
as anyone on the Trilateral Commission would know. (Of course, you do live in New Jersey..)
Gotta go - organize The Fence Party.
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Post #80,745
2/10/03 6:48:12 PM
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No apparent need to do anything but repeat my previous post.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #80,792
2/10/03 9:51:51 PM
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I can't think of an exclamatory strong enough
You see...we venture forth, offer assistance, establish allies...and then every once in a while we may find ourselves surprised...some of our aid will be used against us (emphasis added) This is irony, right? How many lives per gallon?
--Sign outside of various churches
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Post #80,809
2/10/03 10:57:44 PM
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It is borne out in history...
...that in many cases our assistance has been used against us later. Japan is another example.
Point being...do we stop offering aid and support...or do we continue offering aid and support...knowing that every once in a while its gonna jump up and bite us in the ass.
Close the borders or continue to be an interested, active world citizen?
There really isn't a whole lot of middle ground in this choice.
Oh sure...we all have our "causes"...and we can't be all things to everyone..which means some peoples "causes" are left wanting...but we as a country are either out there..or we're not.
If you go hunting for "irony"...you will find it often.
This is not a blanket absolution for some of the stupid shit that we've done...just the either/or that is presented...we do or we don't.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #80,999
2/11/03 7:31:47 PM
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Boy, there's a euphemism for you.
continue to be an interested, active world citizen? Don't think I've ever heard "imperialist" described so loftily.
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