Yes: I all too often used to use Delphi the wrong way.

Post #7,646 by CRConrad 9/4/01 2:07:19 PM Reply	Yes: I all too often used to use Delphi the wrong way. That is, as if it were Visual Basic; placing too much of my code in event handlers, and not in some nice clean encapsulated objects. Problem is, that's the easiest way to use the IDE, you just kind of slide into it... But it gets messy as your project grows. So I try not to do that too much any more. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #7,687 by tablizer 9/4/01 9:50:35 PM Reply	tryin' to start sumpin mista? That is, as if it were Visual Basic; placing too much of my code in event handlers, and not in some nice clean encapsulated objects..... Problem is, that's the easiest way to use the IDE, you just kind of slide into it... But it gets messy as your project grows. In VB if the code gets a little long or needs to be triggered from multiple spots, then I put it in a routine and call that routine from the event snippet. How does OO improve on that? You are making a false dichotomy here between big event code and OOP. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #7,695 by static 9/4/01 10:49:48 PM Reply	Let's not get too side-tracked, hmm? I'm guessing, but I would imagine going OO in Delphi would make a lot of things more "automatic" for you WRT to handling events nicely and elegantly. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #7,775 by tablizer 9/6/01 12:32:28 AM Reply	Yeah, let's not get side-tracked with OO BS ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #7,781 by pwhysall 9/6/01 2:40:03 AM Reply	Play nice, ya hear? -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #7,791 by CRConrad 9/6/01 9:03:13 AM Reply	So much for participating in YOUR discussion, on YOUR terms. Next time I seem to get an uncontrollable urge to talk to Captain Clarity as if he were actually a human being... Somebody please hit me upside the head with a cast-iron frying pan or something, OK? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Ought To Know Fucking Everything About Talking To Bryce -- He Must'a Just'a Forgot...
Post #7,841 by pwhysall 9/6/01 1:27:01 PM Reply	Bryce Blipvert `YousesthotclubbygroupthinkOOnountaxonomyproofmetricshopcounts functionpointsASPbullshctbOOlcrapLOCp/rdicho tomyWAHIWANTMYMOMMYITSALLSCARYANDNEWIWANTMYXBASEBACK whydoesntanyonelovemeanymorecustombizappsSCGUIXWindowssucksbutIveneverusedit Ilovetablesme` -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #7,883 by tablizer 9/6/01 9:56:58 PM Reply	Reminds me of long, hierarchy-happy class names ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #7,888 by static 9/6/01 10:38:03 PM Reply	Well, I avoid them, too. OO has its uses. And it's abuses. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #7,882 by tablizer 9/6/01 9:54:58 PM Reply	Your wording was askin' for it "....placing too much of my code in event handlers, and not in some nice clean encapsulated objects." You could have simply said: "....placing too much of my code in event handlers." ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #7,891 by wharris2 9/6/01 11:07:35 PM Reply	Re: Your wording was askin' for it But isn't modern Basic.net supposed to be all about clean encapsulated handling? French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
Post #7,916 by CRConrad 9/7/01 5:34:28 AM Reply	Oh shut up, you freaking moron. "....placing too much of my code in event handlers, and not in some nice clean encapsulated objects." You could have simply said: "....placing too much of my code in event handlers." Yeah, sure. But, hey, if we're goin to go down that road, why be that specific?!? I could have simply said: "writing bad code". But then what would be the use of posting it? If I'd done that, wouldn't somebody have accused me of being "vague Vague VAGUE!!!"...? So no, if I were smarter, I'd have just not posted anything at all. Not in reply to you, anyway, you fucking idiot. Now do the world a favour and piss off and die. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #7,925 by Arkadiy 9/7/01 10:29:22 AM Reply	Now, now... Would you shut up if someone asked you in such a polite way? Here comes a looong thread.
Post #7,926 by pwhysall 9/7/01 10:59:11 AM Reply	Context We've had three long years of this. Bryce hates an ill-defined thing he calls "OO". Bryce likes XBase and procedural languages of that ilk. So far, so good, so what? The problem is that Bryce thinks that everyone else wants to hear how inferior, overhyped, mis-sold, bloated, verbose, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, OO is by comparison to procedural methods. (Actually, to be perfectly accurate, Bryce invented something called "P/R", where the R is for "Relational", as if procedural programs talked to no other kind of database and OO programs talked to anything but). He persistently trolls comp.object as if the denizens of that newsgroup have some kind of responsibility to "prOOve" that the aforementioned ill-defined (and clearly ill-understood by Bryce) "OO" is better than his precious "P/R" and "TOP" (Table-Oriented-Programming) methods. And he thinks they want to hear it again, and again, and again, and again. He won't stop. It's not enough for anyone to say "I don't care what you use, Bryce, I don't WANT to program procedurally". And that, coupled with the fact that he's astoundingly resistant to the cluestick on any subject he gets involved with, is why he receives the reaction from people like CRC that he does. Don't be thinking this came out of the blue, because it didn't. -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #7,940 by Arkadiy 9/7/01 1:14:59 PM Reply	Re: Context I've been watching this for more than three years. I am aware of all the "pleasant" properties that you mentioned. I am just trying to point out that the best way to prvent a long tirade by Bryce is not to scream "Shut Up!" but to stop talking altogether.
Post #7,947 by tablizer 9/7/01 3:35:37 PM Reply	Re: "p/r" >> (Actually, to be perfectly accurate, Bryce invented something called "P/R", where the R is for "Relational", as if procedural programs talked to no other kind of database and OO programs talked to anything but). << Only approximately 10 to 20 percent of comp.object regulars complain about the "p/r" suite as a reference to a technique. Thus, you seem a minority. Yes, you can connect OO to RDBMS, but they tend to overlap and fight over territory. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #7,945 by tablizer 9/7/01 3:29:01 PM Reply	reply >> But, hey, if we're goin to go down that road, why be that specific?!? << You make it sound like an all-or-nothing thing. You gave no specifics of how OO is helping, so why even mention OO? Too much code in events snippets is a poor practice regardless of paradigm (except maybe by some XP extremists). >> Now do the world a favour and piss off and die. << Bordering on a physical threat. (Is he like this in real life? He reminds me of a redneck in a red pickup that I flipped off once for cutting in front of me. Yosemite Pickup Sam.) ________________ oop.ismad.com

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