Happiness is a wonderful thing

Post #68,172 by Arkadiy 12/11/02 3:09:36 PM Reply	Happiness is a wonderful thing Many, many more years of the same to you. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #68,263 by deSitter 12/11/02 9:21:09 PM Reply	Re: Happiness is a wonderful thing Are Ukranian girls prone to happiness? -drl
Post #68,594 by Arkadiy 12/13/02 9:49:45 AM Reply	How would I know? My wife is a Russian Jew (as am I). But, from seeing my co-worker have a baby - yeah, looks like they are. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #68,595 by deSitter 12/13/02 9:52:01 AM Reply	Re: How would I know? Hmm, sorry, I didn't want to offend a Ukranian by calling him a Russian (got flamed for that once :) so I offended a Russian by calling him a Ukranian. Reason I asked, I'm interested in those "Russian brides" websites. American women - blech. -drl
Post #68,633 by Arkadiy 12/13/02 11:08:55 AM Reply	Mail-order bride? Bleech.. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #68,679 by deSitter 12/13/02 1:12:22 PM Reply	Re: Mail-order bride? Not exactly - you visit Russia and meet them. Since I plan to visit Russia in any case, I've been investigating: [link\|http://www.womenrussia.com/myths.htm\|http://www.womenrussia.com/myths.htm] Sounds very interesting. It's a practical solution for both sides, unless as Grygus pointed out, she happens to become Americanized. -drl
Post #68,681 by boxley 12/13/02 1:17:30 PM Reply	if you are going there in any case why not wait until you get there to go hunting? Surprise yourself. Look out for tartar ladies though. Great looking but love to fight. Pretty good at it too. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy ...I'd have nothing to play with. --Rodney Dangerfield
Post #68,695 by deSitter 12/13/02 2:37:37 PM Reply	Re: if you are going there in any case Fighting is OK, as long as it's not motivated by psychosis. -drl
Post #68,714 by boxley 12/13/02 3:42:03 PM Reply	I remember reading some time ago that Norway? banned russian mail order brides because the tatar girls are used to fisticuffs and were smacking the stoid scandinavian men around something fierce. More cultural than psycho. A lot like Geordies. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy ...I'd have nothing to play with. --Rodney Dangerfield
Post #68,648 by Andrew Grygus 12/13/02 11:49:53 AM Reply	Well, if you can't stand the heat . . . . . time to get out of the kitchen. Probably not a whole lot different than finding marriage partners on the Internet, a practice far more widespread than the participants will admit. Problem with imports is, they Americanize real fast. Here in Los Angeles, guys from the Near East and India are having to fly back home every few years to get a new wife, since the old one "went bad" despite their best efforts to keep her secluded. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #68,680 by deSitter 12/13/02 1:15:21 PM Reply	Re: Well, if you can't stand the heat . . . I'm so far out of the kitchen I'd have to walk for three days to grab a beer out of the fridge. -drl
Post #68,716 by CRConrad 12/13/02 3:44:32 PM Reply	Uh, I think he means America is the "kitchen". You are planning on staying there, after all, aren't you? And taking her there? But I see in your reply to the BOx that you know what I'm talking about... So -- won't she be "in the kitchen", anyway? Christian R. Conrad Mechanisation As our souls are slowly stolen The wheels of progress keep steamrolling Mechanisation melts our minds To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link\|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html\|© Conrad Parker, 1993]
Post #68,719 by boxley 12/13/02 3:48:09 PM Reply	he needs someone to help him fix motorcycles a tractor mechanic would be nice. As long as she can change a tire in the rain. :-) thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy ...I'd have nothing to play with. --Rodney Dangerfield
Post #68,846 by deSitter 12/14/02 12:35:19 AM Reply	Ah yes! Nice memory, show up on my M/C for a first date (N. Ga. camping) and there she is, cutoff jeans and great gams sticking out from underneath a VW bus - whoo hoo! -drl
Post #68,781 by Andrew Grygus 12/13/02 7:00:21 PM Reply	Nah - the 'kitchen' I was referring to . . . . . was American women. Personally, I'm quite accustomed to them and probably wouldn't know what to do with someone obedient and domesticated. I don't like dogs either. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #68,841 by deSitter 12/14/02 12:14:00 AM Reply	Re: Nah - the 'kitchen' I was referring to . . . Domesticated? That's not what this is about. Psychos can be great decorators. Martha Stewart. Oh no, I'm getting hot now. -drl
Post #68,842 by boxley 12/14/02 12:19:36 AM Reply	hot? for martha? your pillow is turned the wrong way :-) thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Alva Edison
Post #68,915 by CRConrad 12/14/02 7:58:33 PM Reply	And here I had another alternative explanation all lined up! Da Gryge explains Nah - the 'kitchen' I was referring to . . . was American women. Ahh... And here I had already formed another theory: If you hadn't meant America, you must have meant women: "Sitter, Go Gay!" :-) Actually, I've often said it myself, and only half in joke: Women are so different, so hard to read (and, often, to please) that it would surely be easier if one happened to be homosexual: At least with guys, you have a chance to understand what makes them tick! (Now that I've found Anki, though, I don't have any complaints about being a heterosexual! :-) Christian R. Conrad Mechanisation As our souls are slowly stolen The wheels of progress keep steamrolling Mechanisation melts our minds To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link\|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html\|© Conrad Parker, 1993]
Post #68,920 by Andrew Grygus 12/14/02 9:05:59 PM Reply	Men and Women are not entirely compatible . . . . but it's the best deal we've got, so we just have to learn to live with it. Actually, I rather like women, and don't particularly care for men, so I don't really mind that women are all completely insane. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #68,922 by boxley 12/14/02 9:08:25 PM Reply	they are not insane, you just havnt perfected your mind reading technique and without it you are fscked. we are all without it. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Alva Edison
Post #68,926 by Andrew Grygus 12/14/02 9:56:35 PM Reply	Oh, my mind reading isn't all that bad . . . . but it often doesn't come up with the answers I want to hear, so playing "stupid male" is often a good cover. It's what's expected, after all. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #68,927 by boxley 12/14/02 9:58:23 PM Reply	that works about the best sharp as a marble will almost always keep you out of trouble. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Alva Edison
Post #68,950 by deSitter 12/15/02 3:20:53 AM Reply	Re: that works about the best Heh - "sharp as a marble" - the lexicon increases by 1 phrase :) -drl
Post #68,976 by ben_tilly 12/15/02 11:52:58 AM Reply	Communication versus Convincing Communication is the art of letting the other person know what we think. Convincing is the art of getting the other person to do what we want. Far too often people confuse the two. They complain that communication isn't working when communication happened just fine - but the other person apparently wasn't convinced. To pick a well-known example, "Johnny, didn't you hear me? I want you to clean your room Right Now." Odds are that Johnny knows perfectly well that mommy or daddy wants him to clean his room - but he has not been convinced into actually doing it. Your "stupid male" trick illustrates the gap as it tends to show up in adult relationships... Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #68,977 by slugbug 12/15/02 12:00:40 PM Reply	ahem.... and you would base this insanity theory on ???
Post #68,979 by Andrew Grygus 12/15/02 12:27:54 PM Reply	Decades of careful observation The first thing a guy has to learn is not to believe what women say, even if they believe it themselves. The truth is found in what they do. Took me a long time to fully internalize this, and I still catch myself believing what they say. Example: listen to a woman's description of the kind of man she wants to date, and what she definitely doesn't want. I'm sure she actually believes what she's saying, but watch the kind of guy that can get a date with her - notice the predominance of "definitely don't wants". Of course, if she marries him, she's going to want him to instantly turn into the kind of guy who couldn't have gotten a date with him to save his life. Example: women are always bitching that they want a man who will share the cooking and houskeeping. When they meet one who cooks well and keeps house, it scares the heck out of them because it threatens their power base. Of course, once they marry a guy who can only drink beer and watch football, they start bitching about cooking and houskeeping. Now, I'm sure men look equally insane from the woman's side, which is OK too. Sanity is not exactly a human characteristic. You just have to recognize the problems and learn to get along with them. Either that or move to Idaho. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #69,075 by Steve Lowe 12/16/02 12:25:04 AM Reply	advice from a priest At one of my cousin's wedding reception, the groom asked the priest to give a blessing/toast to start the festivities. He said something that rang true..and I've seen it play over many times: "A woman marries a man thinking that once they're married, she will change him. A man marries a woman thinking that once they're married, she will change. The secret, of course, is truly accepting the person that you married for who and what they are. The only thing that can be changed is your own view and attitude toward any given situation." ----- Steve
Post #71,503 by drewk 12/30/02 11:32:21 AM Reply	Not how I heard it I heard it as: A woman marries a man thinking she will change him. A man marries a woman thinking she will never change. Neither is right. BTW I got to this old thread through CRC's sig. Totally missed it the first time. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #71,538 by CRConrad 12/30/02 4:01:06 PM 12/30/02 4:05:46 PM Reply	See? I knew it was useful knowledge to spread! :-) Edited by CRConrad Dec. 30, 2002, 04:05:46 PM EST Expand All History
Post #68,844 by deSitter 12/14/02 12:28:38 AM Reply	Re: Uh, I think he means America is the "kitchen". Actually, no - I was hoping it would be a "union of cultures". I love the Russian writers, and want to know more about the world they lived in. -drl
Post #68,883 by Andrew Grygus 12/14/02 12:07:54 PM Reply	Well, personally . . . . . I find a Russian accent unattractive in a woman, so Russians are out for me. Little details easily swamp out all major considerations. Of course, your mileage may vary. Human sexuality is powerful and highly erratic, and has been stretched by social evolution far beyond nature's original intent, so there's no way I'd advise another on preferences. After all, some guys get off on being whipped by rough talking ladies in pointy heel boots and scanty black leather gear (with chrome studs and chains, oh my!). Who am I to say they're wrong? Some may even prefer women with Russian accents. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #68,902 by Ashton 12/14/02 3:24:42 PM Reply	Ah yes.. accents IMhO a large topic, often ignored in Murican culture as we kiddies grow up. The teeth get fixed; the voice moulders, y'know? she goes.. he goes.. Awk Awk {sheesh} In my personal er lab.. I noticed that certain accents have proven magnetic. (And I think.. I perceived this early-on) This can be a problem of course - sow's ear in a silk purse? But more generally - that magic word mellifluous is, I strongly suspect, as large an attraction (for most folks) as our marketed tawdry visual Plastic-Beauty stereotypes, conditioned by the Ad Perfect-Specimen, all of which we encounter well before we can even talk, ourselves. Groupthink again. Many great partners are elided over this inane mercantile blinder - hmmm that story may be the major sub-plot in many Murican stories: the bookseller woman w/glasses + Bogart in The Big Sleep (or was it the Other one?). Conversely.. some Vision can quickly become a Sight.. after say, Valley-guhl patois comes out of that otherwise attractive voice box. I believe that this was better understood before our time - how very important is the sound, modulation, pacing. It's commonly supposed here (esp. re the upper-class Brit accent) that attention to voice is mainly a social-climbing affectation. Clearly one's motivation can be just this shallow, but I'm trying to address the pheromone aspect! not the banal money-association BS. (The poverty of imagination of the born-idle rich has been well explored - even w/o the sour grapes attached.) I've noticed too, what I think a modrin affectation - a kind of falsetto, seemingly intentional, at least.. at first. I don't mean just the (other) execrable habit of a constant rising lilt to every sentence.. as if asking a question? [like here] but a permanently adolescent little-kid treble. This can be disconcerting in a grown woman whose vocal cords would seem to have er 'matured'. Even a natural soprano does not Have to sound this way; I've talked to enough to hear that as a fact. (Amelita Galli-Curci, a coloratura soprano of immortal status -- had a 'normal' speaking voice; a bit hard to glean from the few samples of her merely speaking) Ah well, if not in Pygmalion, the original - then in My Fair Lady - was the better illustration of the whole phenom, given the 'elocutionist' ploy in the musical. And uh Men are not immune; women have expounded with comparable observations. IMhO 'mellifluous' sez it all - if ya can grok that and also get that. Ashton Poor Garbo; her famously sultry voice and a few comments taken too literally by the press jackals (she later revealed) enforced an isolation she did not desire. Speak UP! [beautifully] silly
Post #68,903 by boxley 12/14/02 3:42:12 PM Reply	hissing sibilents do it for me, haw haws are annoying syropy southern is nice, fran drescher and sarah bernhart tickles a latin lilt is good, come to think of it only haw haws, bahston and excessive valley girl giggles turn me off. Of course a fishwife is annoying with her braying in any accent. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Alva Edison

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