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Post #63,338
by boxley
11/16/02 10:09:34 PM
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New where in the hell do you pledge alegiance to "someone"?
that is something the monarchists might instigate but we got rid of that shit in the 1700s
I have oathed allegiance to the constitution, everyone else can go fuck themselves with the flag if they wish.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
"Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
Post #63,375
by wharris2
11/17/02 7:23:57 AM
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New What is the pledge?
You pledge allegiance to the flag and to what it stands for. Liberty and justice for all.

Perhaps not to a person, but the idea is the same. It doesn't say "I pledge allegiance to the constitution" but it comes close.

If you are a citizen in this country, live here, work here, play here, and aren't willing to pledge your allegiance to it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Post #63,385
by boxley
11/17/02 9:08:25 AM
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New Sorry my constitution doesnt deport citizens
for not taking a loyalty oath. That sounds somewhat Islamic to me. Mindless adherence to form over substance. What country do you live in anyway?
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
"Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
Post #63,427
by bepatient
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11/17/02 3:07:06 PM
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New Why thats simple...
...it was designed by Hitler to indoctinate all young minds and develop them into good little soldiers to fight for the cause.

[image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...]

Why...the very essence of allegiance precludes freedom, yes? How about the Y Smirnov pledge instead...everyone get up at the beginning of class and say "What a country"...then sit.

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Before we all get too wrapped up in this (again)...lets see if it actually makes it passed judicial review (where all of the other attempts have failed)...if it does...then lets all cry about the new Nazi party in PA.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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Post #63,443
by Ashton
11/17/02 5:44:41 PM
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New React early - or watch attention span wane via next Warz ads
Post #63,454
by wharris2
11/17/02 6:51:00 PM
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New Re: Why thats simple...
Yeah, the pledge will turn all those impressionable minds who haven't been turned into mush by PC, bad teachers, bad teaching techniques, and so forth... into mush.

I'm beginning to like the Starship Troopers citizen model a lot more than I used to.
Post #63,471
by boxley
11/17/02 7:18:00 PM
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New that was the Roman model
a citizen was called into the legions and stayed there until the age of forty. How is your manual of arms drill?
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
"Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
Post #63,480
by wharris2
11/17/02 8:37:25 PM
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New Never had the option, here
I might have considered serving in the army, only they would have invalidated me because of my scoliosis. Basic training in a back brace, heh.
Post #63,486
by boxley
11/17/02 9:14:25 PM
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New that is the problem with military service being a prereq
for citizenship. There is more than one way to serve your country and you with your skills are valuable here.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
"Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
     Pennsylvania passes "Pledge" bill - (Silverlock) - (61) - Nov. 15, 2002, 03:36:23 PM EST
         Makes me even prouder of my daughter. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:03:08 PM EST
             Gotta say this - (Silverlock) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:56:19 AM EST
             Now if that story could travel the grapevine - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 06:03:18 AM EST
         Nail #666013 in the Coffin. - (Ashton) - (57) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:26:46 PM EST
             And the previous administration? - (wharris2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:43:19 PM EST
             What if they take the.. - (bepatient) - (55) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:46:06 PM EST
                 Just out of curiosity: Would that do it for you? -NT - (CRConrad) - (9) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:50:19 PM EST
                     I don't see another... - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:06:57 PM EST
                         The act of protesting - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:24:41 PM EST
                             I suppose that - (bepatient) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:33:07 PM EST
                         I'd agree 'over-reaction' if.. - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:35:55 PM EST
                         Over reaction? - (deSitter) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:03:37 PM EST
                         I agree - (Silverlock) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:24:03 AM EST
                             Sure. - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:22:14 AM EST
                                 Possibly it is more significant now because of 'conditions' - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 03:23:49 PM EST
                         Never mind the constitution... - (CRConrad) - Nov. 16, 2002, 07:00:57 PM EST
                 Here's my disagreement. - (inthane-chan) - (42) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:11:12 PM EST
                     Precisamente, Thane - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:52:03 PM EST
                     Ditto and more. - (Brandioch) - (40) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:07:22 PM EST
                         Mere slothful thought + partisan Bible-thumping - I guess -NT - (Ashton) - (39) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:50:41 PM EST
                             I'd guess similar. - (Brandioch) - (38) - Nov. 15, 2002, 10:53:58 PM EST
                                 Both you and Ashton are reacting to the wrong thing - (Silverlock) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:52:46 AM EST
                                     I don't think so. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:11:28 AM EST
                                         Damn - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:49:23 AM EST
                                             My objection. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:31:10 PM EST
                                     Oh,...the irony... - (jb4) - Nov. 20, 2002, 02:35:19 PM EST
                                 A shameless barter.. - (Ashton) - (32) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:47:40 AM EST
                                     You got it. - (Brandioch) - (31) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:40:29 PM EST
                                         Tell ya what I find rilly *discouraging* about this thread - (Ashton) - (30) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:21:44 PM EST
                                             Ashton, are you arguing against automatic citizenship? - (wharris2) - (11) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:51:28 PM EST
                                                 Ah, the traditional response. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:23:21 PM EST
                                                 Believe in being as honest with my gov as they are with me\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:44:13 PM EST
                                                 where in the hell do you pledge alegiance to "someone"? - (boxley) - (8) - Nov. 16, 2002, 10:09:34 PM EST
                                                     What is the pledge? - (wharris2) - (7) - Nov. 17, 2002, 07:23:57 AM EST
                                                         Sorry my constitution doesnt deport citizens - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2002, 09:08:25 AM EST
                                                         Why thats simple... - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 17, 2002, 03:07:06 PM EST
                                                             React early - or watch attention span wane via next Warz ads -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2002, 05:44:41 PM EST
                                                             Re: Why thats simple... - (wharris2) - (3) - Nov. 17, 2002, 06:51:00 PM EST
                                                                 that was the Roman model - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2002, 07:18:00 PM EST
                                                                     Never had the option, here - (wharris2) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2002, 08:37:25 PM EST
                                                                         that is the problem with military service being a prereq - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2002, 09:14:25 PM EST
                                             Because those oaths have worked. - (Brandioch) - (17) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:07:59 PM EST
                                                 nit when did we ever breed for intelligence after slavery - (boxley) - (16) - Nov. 16, 2002, 10:11:30 PM EST
                                                     Many years ago. - (Brandioch) - (15) - Nov. 16, 2002, 11:41:10 PM EST
                                                         The link was broken way before that - (mhuber) - (14) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:53:16 AM EST
                                                             Even more basic - - (Ashton) - Nov. 18, 2002, 03:54:10 PM EST
                                                             Evolution. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:03:57 PM EST
                                                             You can't be serious, can you? - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:37:12 PM EST
                                                                 100% serious. - (mhuber) - (3) - Nov. 26, 2002, 02:32:00 AM EST
                                                                     In that huge span - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:12:14 AM EST
                                                                         What advance in capabilities? - (mhuber) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:24:50 PM EST
                                                                             You're mixing 2 discussions here... - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:35:58 PM EST
                                                             Can't find a reference right now... - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:23:57 PM EST
                                                                 are you implying meateaters are smarter - (boxley) - (5) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:43:04 PM EST
                                                                     Neither - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:48:24 PM EST
                                                                         Gould questioned that - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:26:04 PM EST
                                                                             If he wrote about it... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:45:07 PM EST
                                                                                 Overstated the case - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2002, 09:54:33 PM EST
                                                                                     That fits my recollection as well :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2002, 11:11:52 PM EST
                 Basically, No - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2002, 02:27:22 PM EST
                     Yes - free speech is also the right to remain silent. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 20, 2002, 05:04:53 PM EST

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