Ashton, are you arguing against automatic citizenship?

Post #63,317 by wharris2 11/16/02 8:51:28 PM Reply	Ashton, are you arguing against automatic citizenship? If someone isn't willing to pledge allegiance to the United States of America, then renounce the citizenship and be done with it. Oh, yeah, children can't do that. (Amidst other minor obstructing details such as when you pledge allegiance to someone they owe in return certain responsibilities and duties... like following the constitution...)
Post #63,324 by Brandioch 11/16/02 9:23:21 PM Reply	Ah, the traditional response. If you don't support something I support, then you can just leave the country. Fascinating. And yet it reveals a complete lack of historical knowledge. Since Senator McCarthy was willing to swear many loyalty oaths, would the nation have been better off with him or without him? Also, please note, that this position does not IN ANY WAY specify what this law is supposed to PROTECT or PREVENT. Strangely enough, I am not in the least bit surprised at this oversite. Nor do I expect that the omission will be rectified in the future. Rather than explaining WHY this law is needed, detail how the people who do not support it are "unpatriotic". Rather than specifying what this law is supposed to prevent/protect, demand that anyone who doesn't support it renounce their citizenship. Because that is the SOLE reason for this law. To identify those who are REAL patriots from those OTHER people. Dude, why don't you leave the US to us REAL patriots and take your wannabe Reich ass over to Iraq where they think that indoctrinating children is a GOOD idea.
Post #63,330 by Ashton 11/16/02 9:44:13 PM Reply	Believe in being as honest with my gov as they are with me\ufffd
Post #63,338 by boxley 11/16/02 10:09:34 PM Reply	where in the hell do you pledge alegiance to "someone"? that is something the monarchists might instigate but we got rid of that shit in the 1700s I have oathed allegiance to the constitution, everyone else can go fuck themselves with the flag if they wish. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
Post #63,375 by wharris2 11/17/02 7:23:57 AM Reply	What is the pledge? You pledge allegiance to the flag and to what it stands for. Liberty and justice for all. Perhaps not to a person, but the idea is the same. It doesn't say "I pledge allegiance to the constitution" but it comes close. If you are a citizen in this country, live here, work here, play here, and aren't willing to pledge your allegiance to it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Post #63,385 by boxley 11/17/02 9:08:25 AM Reply	Sorry my constitution doesnt deport citizens for not taking a loyalty oath. That sounds somewhat Islamic to me. Mindless adherence to form over substance. What country do you live in anyway? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
Post #63,427 by bepatient 11/17/02 3:07:06 PM Reply	Why thats simple... ...it was designed by Hitler to indoctinate all young minds and develop them into good little soldiers to fight for the cause. [image\|/forums/images/warning.png\|0\|This is sarcasm...] Why...the very essence of allegiance precludes freedom, yes? How about the Y Smirnov pledge instead...everyone get up at the beginning of class and say "What a country"...then sit. ----- Before we all get too wrapped up in this (again)...lets see if it actually makes it passed judicial review (where all of the other attempts have failed)...if it does...then lets all cry about the new Nazi party in PA. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #63,443 by Ashton 11/17/02 5:44:41 PM Reply	React early - or watch attention span wane via next Warz ads
Post #63,454 by wharris2 11/17/02 6:51:00 PM Reply	Re: Why thats simple... Yeah, the pledge will turn all those impressionable minds who haven't been turned into mush by PC, bad teachers, bad teaching techniques, and so forth... into mush. I'm beginning to like the Starship Troopers citizen model a lot more than I used to.
Post #63,471 by boxley 11/17/02 7:18:00 PM Reply	that was the Roman model a citizen was called into the legions and stayed there until the age of forty. How is your manual of arms drill? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
Post #63,480 by wharris2 11/17/02 8:37:25 PM Reply	Never had the option, here I might have considered serving in the army, only they would have invalidated me because of my scoliosis. Basic training in a back brace, heh.
Post #63,486 by boxley 11/17/02 9:14:25 PM Reply	that is the problem with military service being a prereq for citizenship. There is more than one way to serve your country and you with your skills are valuable here. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer

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